Now Johny Srouji wants to leave...

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if Gurman is to be believed. Who knows if he’s correct? It could be a negotiation? From the article it seems that he may not be happy to serve under a new CEO.

I don’t think that we can say that one person is responsible for the success of Apple Silicon obviously, I think it would be difficult to ignore his role in Apple’s recent hardware achievements. If the article is true though, and he is leaving due to unhappiness, that may be a bad sign for Apple.


 
I don’t think it’s a big deal if he leaves. My experience is that the guy running the show at that level rarely matters. This is especially the case at a place like Apple where there is only one customer for the chips.

I also don’t consider it a bad sign. The guy probably wants to be CEO of a chip design company. He’ll never be CEO at Apple, after all. And there are plenty of great internal candidates to replace him.
 
I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing, but it depends on the reason. Retirement, ambition or wanting a change will always happen. If people are unhappy though, that might warrant some deeper introspection within the company.
 
Eh... He's in his early 60s, joined Apple in 2008, became a senior VP in 2013, and earns $24 million a year. I wouldn't be shocked if he just wants to retire and enjoy life. And maybe take up a hobby or two, like photography.
 
Eh... He's in his early 60s, joined Apple in 2008, became a senior VP in 2013, and earns $24 million a year. I wouldn't be shocked if he just wants to retire and enjoy life. And maybe take up a hobby or two, like photography.
The article says he wants to leave for another company.
 
The article says he wants to leave for another company.

Is that for a specific company? Or just another company in general (not liking working at Apple). If true, I wonder what kind of company he'd like to work at? Architecting chips for an AI company? A company like Qualcomm? Meta? A huge semiconductor company like TI? At his level, and after working at Apple for so long, most of those might not seem very challenging (except perhaps AI).

Just speculating knowing relatively little about him, I wonder if he'd find happiness, being that he's 63 years old and his number of years working going forward are somewhat limited. OTOH... renowned architect Frank Gehry just passed away at 96, working right up until the end.
 
The article says he wants to leave for another company.
Uh, the "article" in question (if we really want to call this that) does not claim that he wants to leave for another company.

The article claims that IF he leaves, then he would not immediately retire and would instead go work somewhere.

The article also claims he would prefer to keep working for Tim Cook, and not another CEO.

He claims insider knowledge, so much so that he's saying he knows the deliberations between Johny and Tim themselves, yet literally makes no mention of why Johny would want to "leave" Apple. This is suspicious to say the least.

This "article" is a complete hysterical shitshow. I noticed after he wrote an article on Alan Dye leaving for Facebook, that no one gave the reaction he had hoped for (people panicking). Watching him have a psychological breakdown on twitter was both entertaining and enlightening, because it illustrated what all of this is really about: gossip to turn a profit for himself.

A lot of executives at Apple are older, not younger, so obviously at some point they will retire. The majority of high profile leaves are retirements, yet the "article" goes on a practically dissertation-length gossip angle about the "end is nigh." He attempts to thread a thesis throughout it, but fails to. He randomly chucks in "AI," but fails to actually have any kind of thesis about why people are "leaving."

He tried to spin Alan Dye leaving for Facebook as some massive issue and design failure at Apple (implying wrongly that Tim Cook does not care about design). People instead reacted both internally and externally out of Apple excitement for Steve Lemay to take over -- whether it s because they "hated" Alan dye, or because they're simply excited for Steve Lemay given who he is, what's he's done, his philosophy of UX.

Even more interestingly, something actually factual that all of us can verify (majority of people excited for Steve Lemay) is only given 2 sentences in the article 1/2 way through. It then returns to hysteria for another (what feels like) 50 paragraphs. Think heavily on that.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about Gurman's constant gossipy bullshit. No one ever holds him accountable for when he's wrong, and people treat everything he says as fact. Every time someone takes a shit he basically pretends it's either 'a new beginning' or 'the end of the world.' Can he please shut the fuck up already?

All of us on this planet, including Apple employees, already have enough issues in this world. His constant hysteria is nauseating and false and unhelpful. It only seeks to make him richer from his articles.

Fuck him.
 
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Uh, the "article" in question (if we really want to call this that) does not claim that he wants to leave for another company.

The article claims that IF he leaves, then he would not immediately retire and would instead go work somewhere.

The article also claims he would prefer to keep working for Tim Cook, and not another CEO.

He claims insider knowledge, so much so that he's saying he knows the deliberations between Johny and Tim themselves, yet literally makes no mention of why Johny would want to "leave" Apple. This is suspicious to say the least.

This "article" is a complete hysterical shitshow. I noticed after he wrote an article on Alan Dye leaving for Facebook, that no one gave the reaction he had hoped for (people panicking). Watching him have a psychological breakdown on twitter was both entertaining and enlightening, because it illustrated what all of this is really about: gossip to turn a profit for himself.

A lot of executives at Apple are older, not younger, so obviously at some point they will retire. The majority of high profile leaves are retirements, yet the "article" goes on a practically dissertation-length gossip angle about the "end is nigh." He attempts to thread a thesis throughout it, but fails to. He randomly chucks in "AI," but fails to actually have any kind of thesis about why people are "leaving."

He tried to spin Alan Dye leaving for Facebook as some massive issue and design failure at Apple (implying wrongly that Tim Cook does not care about design). People instead reacted both internally and externally out of Apple excitement for Steve Lemay to take over -- whether it s because they "hated" Alan dye, or because they're simply excited for Steve Lemay given who he is, what's he's done, his philosophy of UX.

Even more interestingly, something actually factual that all of us can verify (majority of people excited for Steve Lemay) is only given 2 sentences in the article 1/2 way through. It then returns to hysteria for another (what feels like) 50 paragraphs. Think heavily on that.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about Gurman's constant gossipy bullshit. No one ever holds him accountable for when he's wrong, and people treat everything he says as fact. Every time someone takes a shit he basically pretends it's either 'a new beginning' or 'the end of the world.' Can he please shut the fuck up already?

All of us on this planet, including Apple employees, already have enough issues in this world. His constant hysteria is nauseating and false and unhelpful. It only seeks to make him richer from his articles.

Fuck him.
Welcome to the forums!
 
Uh, the "article" in question (if we really want to call this that) does not claim that he wants to leave for another company.

The article claims that IF he leaves, then he would not immediately retire and would instead go work somewhere.

The article also claims he would prefer to keep working for Tim Cook, and not another CEO.

He claims insider knowledge, so much so that he's saying he knows the deliberations between Johny and Tim themselves, yet literally makes no mention of why Johny would want to "leave" Apple. This is suspicious to say the least.

This "article" is a complete hysterical shitshow. I noticed after he wrote an article on Alan Dye leaving for Facebook, that no one gave the reaction he had hoped for (people panicking). Watching him have a psychological breakdown on twitter was both entertaining and enlightening, because it illustrated what all of this is really about: gossip to turn a profit for himself.

A lot of executives at Apple are older, not younger, so obviously at some point they will retire. The majority of high profile leaves are retirements, yet the "article" goes on a practically dissertation-length gossip angle about the "end is nigh." He attempts to thread a thesis throughout it, but fails to. He randomly chucks in "AI," but fails to actually have any kind of thesis about why people are "leaving."

He tried to spin Alan Dye leaving for Facebook as some massive issue and design failure at Apple (implying wrongly that Tim Cook does not care about design). People instead reacted both internally and externally out of Apple excitement for Steve Lemay to take over -- whether it s because they "hated" Alan dye, or because they're simply excited for Steve Lemay given who he is, what's he's done, his philosophy of UX.

Even more interestingly, something actually factual that all of us can verify (majority of people excited for Steve Lemay) is only given 2 sentences in the article 1/2 way through. It then returns to hysteria for another (what feels like) 50 paragraphs. Think heavily on that.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about Gurman's constant gossipy bullshit. No one ever holds him accountable for when he's wrong, and people treat everything he says as fact. Every time someone takes a shit he basically pretends it's either 'a new beginning' or 'the end of the world.' Can he please shut the fuck up already?

All of us on this planet, including Apple employees, already have enough issues in this world. His constant hysteria is nauseating and false and unhelpful. It only seeks to make him richer from his articles.

Fuck him.
Welcome!
 
I wonder if what’s going on is that Tim went around asking everyone “if I leave in the next year or two, what are you going to do?” and Srouiji said something like “I guess I’d go do something new.” This sort of thing, too, is very common in industry. They try to work out some sort of incentives to keep the guy for awhile so everyone doesn’t transition all at once. In fact, I was a very happy beneficiary of something similar at AMD (even though I never told anyone I had any intention of going anywhere at the time).
 
Uh, the "article" in question (if we really want to call this that) does not claim that he wants to leave for another company.
Errr what else is it if not an article? I think this is a distinction without a significant difference. It also didn’t claim he wanted to retire, which is the claim I was replying to.
The article claims that IF he leaves, then he would not immediately retire and would instead go work somewhere.
Awesome.
The article also claims he would prefer to keep working for Tim Cook, and not another CEO.

He claims insider knowledge, so much so that he's saying he knows the deliberations between Johny and Tim themselves, yet literally makes no mention of why Johny would want to "leave" Apple. This is suspicious to say the least.

This "article" is a complete hysterical shitshow. I noticed after he wrote an article on Alan Dye leaving for Facebook, that no one gave the reaction he had hoped for (people panicking). Watching him have a psychological breakdown on twitter was both entertaining and enlightening, because it illustrated what all of this is really about: gossip to turn a profit for himself.

A lot of executives at Apple are older, not younger, so obviously at some point they will retire. The majority of high profile leaves are retirements, yet the "article" goes on a practically dissertation-length gossip angle about the "end is nigh." He attempts to thread a thesis throughout it, but fails to. He randomly chucks in "AI," but fails to actually have any kind of thesis about why people are "leaving."

He tried to spin Alan Dye leaving for Facebook as some massive issue and design failure at Apple (implying wrongly that Tim Cook does not care about design). People instead reacted both internally and externally out of Apple excitement for Steve Lemay to take over -- whether it s because they "hated" Alan dye, or because they're simply excited for Steve Lemay given who he is, what's he's done, his philosophy of UX.

Even more interestingly, something actually factual that all of us can verify (majority of people excited for Steve Lemay) is only given 2 sentences in the article 1/2 way through. It then returns to hysteria for another (what feels like) 50 paragraphs. Think heavily on that.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about Gurman's constant gossipy bullshit. No one ever holds him accountable for when he's wrong, and people treat everything he says as fact. Every time someone takes a shit he basically pretends it's either 'a new beginning' or 'the end of the world.' Can he please shut the fuck up already?

All of us on this planet, including Apple employees, already have enough issues in this world. His constant hysteria is nauseating and false and unhelpful. It only seeks to make him richer from his articles.

Fuck him.
I’m not a big fan of Gurman but I’m not sure why you keep putting “article” in quotes. I also don’t think an article about a tech company is adding to the worlds problems in the way you suggest.

Again, not a Gurman fan but this seems like a massive overreaction to what amounts to gossip and not dissimilar to the hysteria you accuse him of.
 
Errr what else is it if not an article? I think this is a distinction without a significant difference. It also didn’t claim he wanted to retire, which is the claim I was replying to.

I’m not a big fan of Gurman but I’m not sure why you keep putting “article” in quotes. I also don’t think an article about a tech company is adding to the worlds problems in the way you suggest.

Again, not a Gurman fan but this seems like a massive overreaction to what amounts to gossip and not dissimilar to the hysteria you accuse him of.

I mean sure, if you live in a world where these kinds of articles don't play into employee/customer/supplier/fans decisions and completely exist in a vacuum with zero effects.

But they don't. They come from a "reputable" (questionable, given Bloomberg's massive fuck ups to simply be "first" to a story) journal that people pay attention to. Claiming people are FLEEING is going to actually affect some prospective employees and current ones, especially in a culture as secretive as Apple'ms culture

My reaction is the result of watching this for a long time. It's extremely irritating. I'm allowed to be irritated about someone with bad intentions do bad stuff.

Notably, you don't actually address any of my criticisms I wrote about his article (merely implying I'm being hysterical). You simply fixate on that I put the word article in quotes.

An article at a journal implies truth, integrity, objectivity. This article has none of that, and I explained why it doesn't in my criticisms you haven't addressed.

You can certainly reply to what I actually said if you want, but it seems you're taking this article for fact when there are so many glaring flaws (some of which I am writing about in another comment) in it and the context around
 
I mean sure, if you live in a world where these kinds of articles don't play into employee/customer/supplier/fans decisions and completely exist in a vacuum with zero effects.

But they don't. They come from a "reputable" (questionable, given Bloomberg's massive fuck ups to simply be "first" to a story) journal that people pay attention to. Claiming people are FLEEING is going to actually affect some prospective employees and current ones, especially in a culture as secretive as Apple'ms culture

My reaction is the result of watching this for a long time. It's extremely irritating. I'm allowed to be irritated about someone with bad intentions do bad stuff.

Notably, you don't actually address any of my criticisms I wrote about his article (merely implying I'm being hysterical). You simply fixate on that I put the word article in quotes.

An article at a journal implies truth, integrity, objectivity. This article has none of that, and I explained why it doesn't in my criticisms you haven't addressed.

You can certainly reply to what I actually said if you want, but it seems you're taking this article for fact when there are so many glaring flaws (some of which I am writing about in another comment) in it and the context around
Jesus. This is supposed to be a mostly harmless fun chat about tech. The fact that you need to come in attack mode is very weird. You claimed an article isn’t an article because you don’t like Gurman. I don’t think you’re onto quite the winner you think you are. All the best.
 
Remember that time Bloomberg claimed Apple’s servers had secret spy chips on the motherboards, and never retracted it? Good times.
 
Remember that time Bloomberg claimed Apple’s servers had secret spy chips on the motherboards, and never retracted it? Good times.
Yeah. Remember when Bloomberg risked people's LIVES simply to be first to publish a story? Good times.

daringfireball .net/linked/2024/08/02/bloomberg-evan-gershkovich-scoop
 
Jesus. This is supposed to be a mostly harmless fun chat about tech. The fact that you need to come in attack mode is very weird. You claimed an article isn’t an article because you don’t like Gurman. I don’t think you’re onto quite the winner you think you are. All the best.
Let’s all tone it down.

Thanks.
 
Again, I welcome you to counter my criticisms beyond superficially insulting me.
That would carry more weight if you didn’t start by claiming an article wasn’t an article. Take a moment to think about how your post comes across.
 
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