Pluribus (with spoilers)

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Hey everyone.

I set this up because there's been a fair bit of talk about Pluribus in the What are you doing today? thread. Aside from general comments, I've been reticent to post details there in deference to those who haven't seen it. I'm intending for this to be a discussion for people who are caught up, so spoilers are expected. (@Eric, if you feel this is misplaced or unnecessary, please delete this thread.)

To begin with, I'm liking the program after two episodes. I've been a huge fan of Vince Gilligan's work, and this hasn't changed my mind. Its subject matter is much closer to The X-Files than Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul, but that's expected. Still, I see a lot of the latter two shows in the cinematography, especially since the setting is the same. (I once visited Albuquerque to see shooting sites, including Walter White's house, where the owner told me people have asked to throw pizzas on her roof!)

Some other thoughts:

Premise: Once you accept that an RNA sequence constructed using alien instructions can put all humans into a hive mind state with instant communication (which is impossible), there are some interesting questions I hope are explored:
  • What does the hive mind do to each person? They apparently remember who they are, but how do the experiences of billions of other people manifest? Are they always present, or can specific things (like how to fly a plane) be accessed selectively?
  • How does this work with children who are too young to understand? Ravi was old enough to grasp Carol's question about gynecologic exams, but what about a 4-year-old, say? Or can kids do anything as long as they're physically capable?
  • Are all negative thoughts about other people permanently disabled? Constructive criticism is still allowed (as when Zosia suggested Carol dig Helen's grave a different way), but what are the limits?
  • What's special about the 13 people who are "immune?" How did an individual leave the hive mind, and can this be exploited?
  • Resources aren't infinite. How are they distributed when everyone is "equal?"
The Alien Connection: We know where they are, but why did they do this? Are they getting us ready to serve them somehow, like in the Twilight Zone episode To Serve Man? How did they learn about human biology? Could they have been the "ancient aliens" who created us, or at least set the process in motion millions of years ago?

Carol's Ethical Dilemma: Carol may not be the most likable person, but she's in a situation that would drive anyone to drink (though I think she was an alcoholic even before the virus escaped). She seems to be the only person so far who sees the transition as horrible for humans, and that makes her even angrier. But she also now knows that letting her feelings boil over kills people, so what will she do, especially if she has to act alone? Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? (She could use some help from Dana Scully.)
 
I tend to doubt we will learn anything about the aliens or their motivations. I suspect Gilligan is more interest in this as a study of humanity, free will, etc.

One thing I’m not 100% clear on is whether the animals are also in the same hive mind - the rat seemed to be affected, of course, and the humans won’t kill animals - because they are part of the hive mind, I assume?

Do animals get equal say?
 
I tend to doubt we will learn anything about the aliens or their motivations. I suspect Gilligan is more interest in this as a study of humanity, free will, etc.

One thing I’m not 100% clear on is whether the animals are also in the same hive mind - the rat seemed to be affected, of course, and the humans won’t kill animals - because they are part of the hive mind, I assume?

Do animals get equal say?
They did say there were many maulings, so I don’t think the virus affected them that way, at least toward humans. Having animals in the hive mind would be weird and interesting, though. Especially bees, LOL.
 
They did say there were many maulings, so I don’t think the virus affected them that way, at least toward humans. Having animals in the hive mind would be weird and interesting, though. Especially bees, LOL.
All of this is making me want to re-watch BCS.
 
I never watched BCS, so I'm coming into this with a blank slate. It's be angry like Carol, and not just for the death of her wife. Part of what makes us human is our individuality. How boring a hive mind would be.
 
I never watched BCS, so I'm coming into this with a blank slate.
Same.

It's be angry like Carol, and not just for the death of her wife. Part of what makes us human is our individuality. How boring a hive mind would be.
I'm a fan of this particular hive mentality though, I mean you do lose your individuality but you're always happy and seemingly healthy. Could be far worse ways to live. :ROFLMAO:
 
Same.


I'm a fan of this particular hive mentality though, I mean you do lose your individuality but you're always happy and seemingly healthy. Could be far worse ways to live. :ROFLMAO:
Definitely. But what have they got to be happy about? Nothing in their lives has changed.
 
Definitely free universal health care, since they're all doctors and pharmacists now. But how do you figure UBI?
well, i doubt they pay for anything anymore (at least not for their basic needs). Logically equivalent to UBI.
 
There is a downside... There are enough of weirdos out there (don't want to be specific in case I might offend someone here...). Imagine knowing everyone's sexual proclivities, along with any type of grooming habits that may make some people grossed out. Then there is the obvious thing of people's biases. I am wondering how a hive mind mentality would deal with that? What if the majority of folks were Nazis at heart? Would the collective mind go with that, and then what happens to the people who don't fit in the Nazi ideal of a human?
 
There is a downside... There are enough of weirdos out there (don't want to be specific in case I might offend someone here...). Imagine knowing everyone's sexual proclivities, along with any type of grooming habits that may make some people grossed out. Then there is the obvious thing of people's biases. I am wondering how a hive mind mentality would deal with that? What if the majority of folks were Nazis at heart? Would the collective mind go with that, and then what happens to the people who don't fit in the Nazi ideal of a human?
well we already know that the RNA has modified thought patterns - they are compelled to spread the RNA to everyone, they can’t kill animals, etc. Maybe it de-nazifies you. Or nazifies you. whichever the space aliens prefer.
 
well we already know that the RNA has modified thought patterns - they are compelled to spread the RNA to everyone, they can’t kill animals, etc. Maybe it de-nazifies you. Or nazifies you. whichever the space aliens prefer.
Still wouldn't want to know the real reason why @Eric gets all those naked people on Facebook! 😊
Some things are better left a mystery.
 
Free universal health care and basic income
I don't think we've been told much about how all this works For example, if you need urgent medical care, do you just go to the nearest hospital, or does the hive mind know that you need an ambulance without you calling 911? And even if every person can access the experience of every doctor on the planet, where do non-mind-shareable skills (like the ability to manipulate surgical instruments or tie knots) come in? For that matter, do thoughts as we know them exist, or is everything you think instantaneously known by everyone?

I'd also like to know more about the hive economy. Is there still a need for currency? What do people do if they didn't like their job before the transition? How is wealth inequality handled? Koumba Diabaté (the guy from Mauritania) got to travel in the president's 747 just because he wanted to. But flying it would have been immensely wasteful of resources, which aren't unlimited – how did that happen? Does the hive mind collectively call the shots?

IDK how much of this the series will explore, but there are so many interesting questions.
 
And even if every person can access the experience of every doctor on the planet, where do non-mind-shareable skills (like the ability to manipulate surgical instruments or tie knots) come in?
Apparently every single person can now fly a plane, and that takes more than mere memory/knowledge, so I assume that physical skills are also universal.

I'd also like to know more about the hive economy. Is there still a need for currency? What do people do if they didn't like their job before the transition? How is wealth inequality handled? Koumba Diabaté (the guy from Mauritania) got to travel in the president's 747 just because he wanted to. But flying it would have been immensely wasteful of resources, which aren't unlimited – how did that happen? Does the hive mind collectively call the shots?
He was presumably permitted to do it because the hive is sucking up to the non-hive, for reasons that aren’t yet clear. (Are they truly just being nice (until they figure out how to convert them)? Are they worried that these unconverted people could defeat them, perhaps foreshadowed by Carol’s ability to “freeze” them?) I doubt that hivesters would travel so inefficiently themselves, or even that they would travel at all anymore except as required to serve some purpose which is hard to imagine. If not for the fact that they have to deal with the unconverted, would anyone have to fly anymore? For what purpose?
 
Well, in episode 3 we learned quite a bit about resource allocation. And hand grenades.
 
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