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Jimmyjames said:
Modern gaming laptops? Sure. I wonder about laptops of the same age. Even many modern non-gaming laptops get a lower score than yours.
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Your system has the same average score as a 3060 laptop. The 5060 laptops are averaging 2500. The M3 Ultra is the equivalent to a 4070ti super (500 points away from the 5090 notebook).
 
diamond.g said:
Your system has the same average score as a 3060 laptop. The 5060 laptops are averaging 2500. The M3 Ultra is the equivalent to a 4070ti super (500 points away from the 5090 notebook).
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Ultra aside (which is underwhelming), don’t forget to compare to compare to non-discreet Nvidia machines.

I’m genuinely not sure what your expectations are given the delta in power. A 3060 laptop gpu uses between 80-115 watts.
 
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Jimmyjames said:
Ultra aside (which is underwhelming), don’t forget to compare to compare to non-discreet Nvidia machines.

I’m genuinely not sure what your expectations are given the delta in power. A 3060 laptop gpu uses between 80-115 watts.
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I had to ask gemini was iGPU is in Strix Halo (8060S). It gets 2200 points.

For the price? More really. That is the feedback I tend to get from my friends, they see the performance for the price and think I'm the idiot for sticking with macOS (granted I do have a PC that I game on, but they don't have separate systems).
 
diamond.g said:
I had to ask gemini was iGPU is in Strix Halo (8060S). It gets 2200 points.

For the price? More really. That is the feedback I tend to get from my friends, they see the performance for the price and think I'm the idiot for sticking with macOS (granted I do have a PC that I game on, but they don't have separate systems).
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The 8060s gets 2200 with a clock boost of 2.9ghz found on some configurations I believe. A more typical score is 2000. At 80-90w btw.

I don’t know. I can’t stop you being disappointed, and I also wish gaming were a little better in the Mac. I do think the comparison with other laptops is off. You aren’t paying for a gpu, you’re paying for a machine. If gaming is the bulk of your use, then I get it. If you have a mixed usage load, then I don’t think these other machines compare. CPU, battery life, reliability, video encoding etc. there are many ways a Mac laptop is better. Hell, even LTT has switched lately, as bad as that video is.
 
diamond.g said:
Your system has the same average score as a 3060 laptop. The 5060 laptops are averaging 2500. The M3 Ultra is the equivalent to a 4070ti super (500 points away from the 5090 notebook).
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diamond.g said:
I had to ask gemini was iGPU is in Strix Halo (8060S). It gets 2200 points.

For the price? More really. That is the feedback I tend to get from my friends, they see the performance for the price and think I'm the idiot for sticking with macOS (granted I do have a PC that I game on, but they don't have separate systems).
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Slight note: as @Jimmyjames alluded to with respect to the 8060S a number of the results in the PC side regardless of processor (including, perhaps especially mobile) of the database are overclocked variants. Whether that changes things for you depends on priorities of price vs noise, heat, battery life, weight, etc … Personally I wouldn’t mind some extra GPU performance, but truthfully Apple perf/$ is typically decent (GPU) to excellent (CPU) - it’s really storage costs that are killer. Memory price isn’t great but since the M4 bumped base configurations that should be less of an issue.
 
dada_dave said:
Slight note: as @Jimmyjames alluded to with respect to the 8060S a number of the results in the PC side regardless of processor (including, perhaps especially mobile) of the database are overclocked variants. Whether that changes things for you depends on priorities of price vs noise, heat, battery life, weight, etc … Personally I wouldn’t mind some extra GPU performance, but truthfully Apple perf/$ is typically decent (GPU) to excellent (CPU) - it’s really storage costs that are killer. Memory price isn’t great but since the M4 bumped base configurations that should be less of an issue.
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Yeah agree. I think most people want a bit more oomph from Apple’s gpus. I’m hoping that arrives with the M5.
 
Jimmyjames said:
Yeah agree. I think most people want a bit more oomph from Apple’s gpus. I’m hoping that arrives with the M5.
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Enough performance that one could use MetalFX to upscale to their panels native resolution and hit the panels max refresh rate doesn't seem like a tall ask for what is being spent.

The disconnect is that Mac hardware does so well in all the other things that when it comes to gaming, the performance disparity can be jarring.
 
diamond.g said:
Enough performance that one could use MetalFX to upscale to their panels native resolution and hit the panels max refresh rate doesn't seem like a tall ask for what is being spent.

The disconnect is that Mac hardware does so well in all the other things that when it comes to gaming, the performance disparity can be jarring.
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It doesn’t help that according to Nat Brown, there are basically zero games which use tile based rendering. One of Apple’s gpus big advantages gone immediately.
 
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