GM really doesn’t get it

Cmaier said:
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Almost exactly two years ago, GM announced its controversial decision to drop CarPlay support from its EVs. Shortly thereafter, the...
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Someone developed an aftermarket CarPlay/android auto solution for GM cars and a dealer was installing it. GM got all pissy about it.
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I've never understood the opposition to it, I mean Android or Apple phones will be carried by every single person who purchases your vehicle, so why go out of your way to exclude them?

Not sure about everyone else but after Tesla it was an absolute deal breaker for me not to have it my next car.
 
Eric said:
I've never understood the opposition to it, I mean Android or Apple phones will be carried by every single person who purchases your vehicle, so why go out of your way to exclude them?

Not sure about everyone else but after Tesla it was an absolute deal breaker for me not to have it my next car.
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If GM doesn’t exclude them, then people won’t be forced to use GM’s shitty (probably) privacy-invading software.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
Is there some kind of subscription involved? If there is then it's probably just that simple.
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To what though, and whatever that may be certainly won't compete with the functionality of Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. All they're doing is locking you into a shitty proprietary system, it was by far the worst quality of the Tesla.
 
Eric said:
To what though, and whatever that may be certainly won't compete with the functionality of Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. All they're doing is locking you into a shitty proprietary system, it was by far the worst quality of the Tesla.
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I don't think they care about functionality. It's just another way for them to make money.
 
General Motors is about the crappiest automobile manufacturer around. I am not quite sure why people even like them. Ford and Chrysler have been slightly less as bad, but overall American car companies are pretty teh suck. I suspect it is largely due to the inertia they have imposed on the marketplace. There is no actual competition, because the big three have squeezed anyone that tries out.

Quite frankly, I would like to see the auto industry totally balkanized. Various parts of a given car made by various different companies, to be assembled to the customers' needs, and repaired by anyone. This would be especially effective in an EV marketplace. But we have been conditioned to the way things are. Big money really really does not want us to have fair markets or repairability, in anything.
 
Yoused said:
General Motors is about the crappiest automobile manufacturer around. I am not quite sure why people even like them. Ford and Chrysler have been slightly less as bad, but overall American car companies are pretty teh suck. I suspect it is largely due to the inertia they have imposed on the marketplace. There is no actual competition, because the big three have squeezed anyone that tries out.

Quite frankly, I would like to see the auto industry totally balkanized. Various parts of a given car made by various different companies, to be assembled to the customers' needs, and repaired by anyone. This would be especially effective in an EV marketplace. But we have been conditioned to the way things are. Big money really really does not want us to have fair markets or repairability, in anything.
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Most cars are made with parts that come from various companies already. Very few make things in house.

A common car OS with a common protocol for all the various electronics (which I thought that was what canbus was) would be interesting. Like Linux for your car, guess the kernel would have to be open as well? Does the vehicle safety systems also have to be open?
 
My first car was a 78 Buick Skyhawk (think Monza, with a Buick badge) - it had a 3.8l engine that the mechanic that owned it had tweaked out - top end was 130Mph. Ooh...I have a pic! :D

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Yes, that's me with a mullet, picking up the car in 1989. :) The green van is a Culliton Brothers van - they're a heating, electrical and cooling contractor based out of Stratford, Ontario. (I did a 6 month sheet metal apprenticeship with them before I had had enough with my foreman and quit) :D

Anywho - I had several GM's over the years - including a 2-door Grand Prix GTP back in 1997. That car was fun as well.

Rural people buy from the "big 3" - or did, back then, as we were keeping jobs in Canada and the US. (and all of our buddies that worked on cars could help us source parts easily enough).

I think the last one that I had was a Chevy Impala around 2011? 2011 is when I bought the Hyundai Tucson and BMW Z4 3.5i. (and, yes, the Z4 still pangs me how much I miss that car) *sniff*

I did pull out the stock infotainment system in the Tuscon and put in an Alpine head unit - one of the first ones to support wireless CarPlay.

Once you've had CarPlay, it's a deal breaker. That was likely my single biggest reason to never buy a Tesla. Well....and their douchbag CEO....who I knew always was a douchbag. :D

Car makers that don't listen to their customer base are doomed to fail.

I remember reading articles years ago how the car makers didn't want to give up the interface as they wanted to own the experience in the car. Here's a clue guys - throw money at Apple to put your own skin on CarPlay.

GM and others that follow this lead are reducing their already dwindling market share.
 
As I elsewhere, I don't understand why this couldn't be sold by itself. ECU tuners sell mods all the time the preclude your ability to get ECU updates from the OEM, I don't see how this is any different.
 
diamond.g said:
As I elsewhere, I don't understand why this couldn't be sold by itself. ECU tuners sell mods all the time the preclude your ability to get ECU updates from the OEM, I don't see how this is any different.
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not a lot of details, but the article suggested it was a somewhat complicated installation. One can also imagine that the company that came up with this would prefer dealers to do it because that opens up their potential customer base quite a bit.
 
Cmaier said:
not a lot of details, but the article suggested it was a somewhat complicated installation. One can also imagine that the company that came up with this would prefer dealers to do it because that opens up their potential customer base quite a bit.
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Yeah I saw the same thing, and thought they must think their buyers are idiots. Plus it could allow for "cottage industry" of third party installers if it were that complex; I doubt it is, unless they are mucking with firmware, though GM sells access to the tool to do that (ask me how I know, lol). I could see nationwide installs opening your customer base, but a single dealership? That just screams captive audience to me, unless they were making the mods to the cars before selling them (inflating the price to include that it has carplay to cover the costs).

I am also curious if GM would be willing to revoke a franchise agreement over it. The dealership could have told them to pound sand.
 
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Whatever they did must be something that already exists in the vehicle firmware, and must phone home to make sure you can keep it active. This was from gmauthority. It seems like something that would have to be enabled after every update. So a $200 tool, plus 60 bucks for a few days of techline connect access to reprogram the system. I wonder if they swapped the wifi/bt modules from the Prologue.
 
Cmaier said:
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GM cracks down on aftermarket CarPlay retrofit solution - 9to5Mac

Almost exactly two years ago, GM announced its controversial decision to drop CarPlay support from its EVs. Shortly thereafter, the...
9to5mac.com 9to5mac.com

Someone developed an aftermarket CarPlay/android auto solution for GM cars and a dealer was installing it. GM got all pissy about it.
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Clowns. I would not buy a car without the ability to run both carplay and android auto at this point. Even though I'm fully into the apple ecosystem i trust both apple and google to do a far better job of this than a car OEM.
 
I recently rented a Chevy Malibu, probably a '23 or '24 model. It supported wireless CarPlay but connecting my phone each time I got in the car was inconsistent and frustrating.
 
throAU said:
Clowns. I would not buy a car without the ability to run both carplay and android auto at this point. Even though I'm fully into the apple ecosystem i trust both apple and google to do a far better job of this than a car OEM.
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I work for a Ford dealer and I am starting to see only the very high-end models come with Nav and SiriusXM.

They are pushing people on the lower-end models to use CarPlay and Auto for maps and the SiriusXM app for music.
 
Herdfan said:
I work for a Ford dealer and I am starting to see only the very high-end models come with Nav and SiriusXM.

They are pushing people on the lower-end models to use CarPlay and Auto for maps and the SiriusXM app for music.
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The 1st gen bolt forces you to use CP for nav as it didn’t come with any.
 
Man, I never use nav. It just seems wrong. I would rather just comprehend where I am, using the big lump of bacon in my head. Sometimes I will turn the map on out of curiosity, but not for long. I understand that some people put the nav into the HUD, but man do I hate the HUD.

I guess I am just a fading luddite.
 

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