Justice Stephen Breyer is retiring

yaxomoxay said:
I don’t understand why me mentioning Obama triggered everyone. I never claimed racism to be over. I am saying that, after 14 (fourteen!) years after he became president I’d hoped to be a much better point, and certainly not in a point in which the President (whoever they are) goes on tv claiming that his choice is made based on race and/or gender. Very different from some affermative action.

Also, I must push back against the “fluke” comment.

Obama won by 10M votes in 2008.
Obama won by 6M votes in 2012.
The D candidate won by 4M votes in 2016 but lost the elections because she was too stupid to listen to her experienced husband.
The D candidate won by 7M votes in 2020 and got more votes than anybody else in history.
So no, it wasn’t a fluke.
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You thought the effects of hundreds of years of explicit, legal racism would be erased within 14 years of Americans electing the first black president?

There are millions of people still alive today who lived in a legally segregated America. Do you think the people who benefitted from that system are happy with the change? Do you think the people abused by such a system have forgiven those who abused them?

It always seems to be people from the advantaged group that don’t understand why those that were discriminated against aren’t over it yet.
 
SuperMatt said:
You thought the effects of hundreds of years of explicit, legal racism would be erased within 14 years of Americans electing the first black president?

There are millions of people still alive today who lived in a legally segregated America. Do you think the people who benefitted from that system are happy with the change? Do you think the people abused by such a system have forgiven those who abused them?

It always seems to be people from the advantaged group that don’t understand why those that were discriminated against aren’t over it yet.
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Exactly! Obama's election pushed out the racists. They were that incensed by a Black man holding the highest office. To not see that, to not address the other presidents that used race and gender when making Supreme Court picks, well... 🙈
 
Just to go back on topic, I am truly curious to see who will be picked for this. I assume that Biden will go for a fairly moderate Justice, otherwise he’ll lose the two chambers by quite much.
 
yaxomoxay said:
do you even read what I write?
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Yes, you wrote:

yaxomoxay said:
I am saying that, after 14 (fourteen!) years after he became president I’d hoped to be a much better point, and certainly not in a point in which the President (whoever they are) goes on tv claiming that his choice is made based on race and/or gender.
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I understand somebody having hope that we’d be at a much better point... but it’s very unrealistic if you consider the relative amount of time.
 
Looks like the other side is now going into conspiracy theories with the idea that Mrs Harris will be the nominee.

Feels like I am watching a dumber version of Dumber&Dumber.
 
President Obama should have nominated Ketanji Brown Jackson instead of Garland. But he knew no matter what he'd have a hard time. Garland was considered more centrist. And Obama knew the racists would attack his choice as simply about race. Kinda what Biden is hearing now.

Interesting tidbit about KBJ from the NY Times:

Judge Jackson has two daughters and is related by marriage to Paul D. Ryan, the former House speaker and Republican vice-presidential candidate. Her husband, Patrick G. Jackson, is a surgeon and the twin brother of Mr. Ryan’s brother in-law. At her 2012 confirmation hearing to be a district court judge, Mr. Ryan testified in her support, calling her “clearly qualified” and “an amazing person.”

“Our politics may differ, but my praise for Ketanji’s intellect, for her character, for her integrity, it is unequivocal,” Mr. Ryan said. “She is an amazing person, and I favorably recommend your consideration.”
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The GOP will be twisting and turning to explain away their opposition after their previous support for her should KBJ get the nomination. Wouldn't at all surprise me that Vice President Kamala Harris breaks the tie for a nominee that she was instrumental in choosing for President Biden. Supposedly she was on the shortlist for Obama's 2nd term, and has been on Biden's longlist since at least the Summer of 2020.
 
ronntaylor said:
President Obama should have nominated Ketanji Brown Jackson instead of Garland. But he knew no matter what he'd have a hard time. Garland was considered more centrist. And Obama knew the racists would attack his choice as simply about race. Kinda what Biden is hearing now.

Interesting tidbit about KBJ from the NY Times:



The GOP will be twisting and turning to explain away their opposition after their previous support for her should KBJ get the nomination. Wouldn't at all surprise me that Vice President Kamala Harris breaks the tie for a nominee that she was instrumental in choosing for President Biden. Supposedly she was on the shortlist for Obama's 2nd term, and has been on Biden's longlist since at least the Summer of 2020.
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What an egregious career!!
 
From the NY Times today

Over Mr. *****'s term, Republicans distilled the Supreme Court nomination process to pure politics. Instead of spending weeks scrutinizing a nominee’s rulings and parsing legal intricacies for potential hearing questions, they simply rubber-stamped Mr. *****'s picks. Even before Mr. ***** announced his nominee to succeed Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Lindsey Graham, declared that he had enough votes to confirm any nominee in both the Judiciary Committee and on the Senate floor.
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IIRC, Sinema and Manchin have voted for every one of President Biden's judicial nominees. And have been joined by at least a few Republicans on those believed to be on the shortlist to succeed Breyer. It should be game, set and match for the nominee-to-be.
 
You won’t get much fight since this doesn’t change current court make up. If this was to flip the makeup or further solidify a left lean, there will be more fight. Graham has been singing praises for Childs. I don’t expect this nomination to be so contentious outside people trying to score points for the race factor in being considered.
 
quagmire said:
You won’t get much fight since this doesn’t change current court make up. If this was to flip the makeup or further solidify a left lean, there will be more fight. Graham has been singing praises for Childs. I don’t expect this nomination to be so contentious outside people trying to score points for the race factor in being considered.
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I think you're right. And I think Graham is trying to get Childs instead of Ketanji Brown Jackson chosen. I prefer KBJ, but would be happy with any of the three frontrunners (California Supreme Court Justice Leondra Kruger rounds out the trio) talked about by most.
 
I think this is a good article defending Biden’s announcement that he will nominate a black woman. There has never been a black woman on the Supreme Court in America’s entire history..

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | When All-White Was All Right (Published 2022)

“Only when we disentangle the concepts of whiteness and maleness from the concept of power can we see the damage the association has done.”
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(paywall removed)
 
www.theonion.com

Democrats, Republicans Spar Over Whether Judge ‘Unnamed Black Woman’ Qualified For Supreme Court

WASHINGTON—Digging in for what could become a weeks-long battle, Democratics and Republicans in Congress reportedly began sparring Thursday over whether Judge Unnamed Black Woman was qualified for the Supreme Court. “I’m shocked that President Biden, who was elected to office with the promise...
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WASHINGTON—Digging in for what could become a weeks-long battle, Democratics and Republicans in Congress reportedly began sparring Thursday over whether Judge Unnamed Black Woman was qualified for the Supreme Court. “I’m shocked that President Biden, who was elected to office with the promise that he would bridge the partisan divide, would pick someone as polarizing and radical as Judge Unnamed Black Woman,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who refuted Senator Chuck Schumer’s assertion that Unnamed Black Woman was the most outstanding pick for the vacancy given her sterling record on TBD issue as well as her impressive education at Ivy League University. “My colleagues in the Senate and I have looked into Unnamed Black Woman’s records and are quite alarmed by what we’ve seen. If President Biden wants to fill this vacancy, he’s going to have to meet us halfway with a sensible candidate like Unnamed White Woman.” At press time, Democrats had begun expressing their admiration for the Supreme Court pick by christening her with the adoring nickname “UBW.”


:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Perfect 10 about both sides.
 
ronntaylor said:
From the NY Times today



IIRC, Sinema and Manchin have voted for every one of President Biden's judicial nominees. And have been joined by at least a few Republicans on those believed to be on the shortlist to succeed Breyer. It should be game, set and match for the nominee-to-be.
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I would like to see the GOP to vote for her 50-0.

Note to Schumer: Thurgood Marshall would like a word.
 
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Herdfan said:
Note to Schumer: Thurgood Marshall would like a word.
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Thurgood Marshall: “Rattlesnakes bite and it doesn’t matter if they’re Black!”

This statement was directed to George H. W. Bush and the GOP as everyone knew that Clarence Thomas was their choice to replace Marshall on the Supreme Court. Thomas was wholly unqualified, a super partisan and the antithesis of everything Marshall stood for and fought against. While Marshall was a champion of equality and tried his best to destroy American apartheid, Thomas was a lackey that tried his best to dismantle systems that worked towards equality. And to top it all off, he was a sexual predator and lying hypocrite.
 
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