Meta Facebook privately refutes Mark Gurman's Apple AI narrative

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Mark Gurman spun a narrative that all these talented "AI" researchers are " fleeing " Apple to leave to Facebook, because Apple is so behind and Facebook is so ahead.

Let's check how's that going:


Meta Delays Rollout of New A.I. Model After Performance Concerns​

The tech giant pushed back the timeline after spending [hundreds of] billions to be on the cutting edge of artificial intelligence.
Mark Zuckerberg, the chief executive of Meta, said in July that his company’s new artificial intelligence models would “push the frontier in the next year or so.”

Now Mr. Zuckerberg — who has invested billions in the A.I. race — appears increasingly unlikely to hit that deadline, three people with knowledge of the matter said.

Meta’s new foundational A.I. model, which the company has been working on for months, has fallen short of the performance of leading A.I. models from rivals like Google, OpenAI and Anthropic on internal tests for reasoning, coding and writing, said the people, who were not authorized to speak publicly about confidential matters.

The model, code-named Avocado, outperformed Meta’s previous A.I. model and did better than Google’s Gemini 2.5 model from March, two of the people said. But it has not performed as strongly as Gemini 3.0 from November, they said.

As a result, Meta has delayed Avocado’s release to at least May from this month, the people said. They added that the leaders of Meta’s A.I. division had instead discussed temporarily licensing Gemini to power the company’s A.I. products, though no decisions have been reached.

How Meta’s A.I. model performs is being closely watched in the competition over the fast-evolving technology. Google, OpenAI and Anthropic are widely regarded as ahead in foundational A.I. models, which are the basis for developing new chatbots, video generators, coding tools and other products. Being at the forefront of A.I. development also helps companies recruit technologists and keep up a stream of experimentation.

Mr. Zuckerberg, 41, has staked the future of Meta, which owns Facebook, Instagram and Threads, on being at the cutting edge of A.I. His company has spent billions hiring top A.I. researchers and committed $600 billion to building data centers to power the technology. In January, Meta projected that it would spend as much as $135 billion this year, nearly twice the $72 billion it spent last year.

It takes time to improve A.I. models, and Meta can still catch up to rivals, A.I. experts said. But a longer timeline has set in at the company, with Mr. Zuckerberg tempering expectations for Avocado in the past few months.

“I expect our first models will be good, but more importantly will show the rapid trajectory we’re on,” he said on a call with investors in January.

A spokesman for Meta, Dave Arnold, said in a statement on Thursday: “As we’ve said publicly, our next model will be good but, more importantly, show the rapid trajectory we’re on, and then we’ll steadily push the frontier over the course of the year as we continue to release new models. We’re excited for people to see what we’ve been cooking very soon.”

(The New York Times sued OpenAI and Microsoft in 2023, accusing them of copyright infringement of news content related to A.I. systems. The two companies have denied those claims.)

Mr. Zuckerberg bet big on a new A.I. model after Meta’s previous model, Llama 4, fell short of expectations last year. To prevent further setbacks, the company invested $14.3 billion in the start-up Scale AI in June and made its chief executive, Alexandr Wang, 29, its new chief A.I. officer. Mr. Zuckerberg declared that Meta’s new goal was to create a “superintelligent” form of A.I. that would lead to “a new era for humanity.”

Wang helped assemble an elite A.I. lab within Meta called TBD Lab (for “to be determined”), which began working on two new fruit-themed A.I. models — Avocado and Mango, an image and video generator.

TBD Lab finished the first stage of Avocado’s development, called “pre-training,” at the end of last year. In January, it began the next phase, “post-training,” which is when the team set a target release date of mid-March, two people with knowledge of the matter said.

So far, the new A.I. division has released one product — Vibes, an A.I. video app similar to OpenAI’s Sora.

Meta’s executives have debated whether the new A.I. model will be “open source,” which means parts of its code are public for other developers to build on, or closed so the underlying code remains private. Meta has long championed open source models, arguing that they help advance the technology, while companies like OpenAI and Anthropic have said letting others build off their A.I. would pose safety risks.

Over the summer, Mr. Zuckerberg and Mr. Wang leaned toward making Meta’s new model closed, two people with knowledge of the matter said.

TBD Lab, which has around 100 employees, has been hiring and has experienced some turnover, with a handful of researchers departing before Avocado’s release.

Mr. Wang has also clashed with Chris Cox, Meta’s chief product officer, and Andrew Bosworth, the chief technology officer, over how the new A.I. models should improve the company’s advertising business.

Last week, Meta said in a note to employees, which was reported earlier by The Wall Street Journal, that it would create an A.I. engineering team under Mr. Bosworth that would collaborate with Mr. Wang and the A.I. division.

Rumors soon swirled that Mr. Zuckerberg and Mr. Wang were on the outs. Meta moved quickly to squelch the talk, with a spokesman calling the idea “totally false.” On Threads on Monday, Mr. Zuckerberg posted a selfie of him and Mr. Wang with the caption “Meanwhile at Meta HQ.”

Meta’s leaders are already thinking big about future A.I. models. Its next one will be named after an even larger fruit, Watermelon.

After spending hundreds of billion on "AI," Facebook will likely resort to the same thing Apple did for only $1 billion: use Google's technology.

However, unlike Apple, I highly doubt Facebook is creating custom models with Google, so they're likely spending more to use off the shelf models.

Congratulations to all the sensationalist bloggers like Mark Gurman pushing crap claims, causing chaos in the stock market, and trying to deflate team morale.

Massive fuck you to Mark Gurman, as an Apple fan.
 
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Mark Gurman spun a narrative that all these talented "AI" researchers are " fleeing " Apple to leave to Facebook, because Apple is so behind and Facebook is so ahead.

Let's check how's that going:




After spending hundreds of billion on "AI," Facebook will likely resort to the same thing Apple did for only $1 billion: use Google's technology.

However, unlike Apple, I highly doubt Facebook is creating custom models with Google, so they're likely spending more to use off the shelf models.

Congratulations to all the sensationalist bloggers like Mark Gurman pushing crap claims, causing chaos in the stock market, and trying to deflate team morale.

Massive fuck you to Mark Gurman, as an Apple fan.

Wasn't it reported that causing movements in the stock market adds to the writers' performance bonus? With that type of incentive I guess that kind of incendiary reporting is expected.

This is just a vibe thing but I always felt Gurman seems more negative on Apple in tone than others for whatever reason.
 
No wait, it gets worse. Meta also known as Facebook is now planning to layoff TWENTY PERCENT of employees, specifically because they're spending so much money on "AI" that they can't or don't want to pay their employees anymore. This is yet another failure for Mark Gurman.


Meta is weighing major layoffs as it pours billions into AI

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Meta is gearing up for possible layoffs as it pours billions into AI, two senior employees familiar with the matter told Business Insider.

The sources said that some managers have been asked to prepare cost-cutting plans but were not told their scope or timing.

Reuters, which first reported about the potential layoffs on Friday, said that up to 20% of Meta employees could be let go. As of the end of 2025, Meta employed nearly 79,000 people, so a potential cut of 20% would mean roughly 16,000 jobs eliminated. That would be Meta's most significant reduction since 2022, when it cut 11,000 jobs, and 2023, when it cut another 10,000. In January, Meta laid off 1,500 people in its Reality Labs division.

One person familiar with the company's thinking told Business Insider the cuts could come as soon as a month.

"This is speculative reporting about theoretical approaches," Meta spokesperson Andy Stone told Business Insider.

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If Meta moves forward with these cuts, it would signal a broader shift in the tech industry, as companies pour massive amounts of capital into AI infrastructure and talent while trimming the workforces that once powered their growth during the pandemic.

In recent weeks, Atlassian announced plans to cut roughly 1,600 employees, or 10% of its staff, tying the move to AI and a push for efficiency. Block has also slashed jobs, with CEO Jack Dorsey saying new AI tools allow companies to operate with smaller teams and more efficiency. These cuts signal a new strategy in Silicon Valley: as AI becomes more capable, the biggest technology companies are betting they can build faster and cheaper with fewer people.

Meta has said it plans to invest roughly $600 billion to build out data centers by 2028. The company has also offered pay packages worth hundreds of millions of dollars over four years to lure top AI researchers to its new superintelligence team led by former Scale AI CEO Alexnadr Wang. Financing those bets, while satisfying Wall Street, means finding savings elsewhere. Head count is the most obvious lever.

On Meta's January earnings call, CEO Mark Zuckerberg told investors the company is already "elevating individual contributors and flattening teams." He added that he's seeing "projects that used to require big teams now be accomplished by a single, very talented person." Last week, Meta created a brand-new AI engineering organization, where teams will have manager-to-employee ratios of up to 1:50.

Given Meta's size, a 20% reduction at Meta would dwarf many of its Big Tech peercuts in absolute terms, wiping out more jobs than the entire head count of many midsize tech companies.

Meta's urgency around AI comes after a difficult stretch for its in-house model efforts. The company faced criticism that early versions of its Llama 4 models produced misleading benchmark results, and it ultimately shelved the largest version of that model, called Behemoth, which had been due out last summer.

Its Superintelligence team has since been working on a new model called Avocado and Mango, which have reportedly fallen short of internal expectations and been delayed until May.

How many foolish journalists say that Apple is the fool when they've been by all accounts measured with what is tantamount to one of the biggest scam technologies the world has ever seen. Transformer models are a nice step in machine learning, but they are one among thousands of algorithms, and it is no better than chucking some other markovian based algorithm at a problem.

The truth seems to be extremely far from whatever narratives Gurman is constantly pushing. Apple is not behind. But other companies are. As Apple leverages its design and engineering teams to create the world's first and world's only hardware enforced, verifiable machine learning compute server for users -- without needing to build $600 billion data centers, nuclear reactors, or obtain all customer info -- Facebook flounders as its spending hundreds of billions on utter crap, and only to end up behind Google's crap anyways.

Mark Zuckerberg spent nearly a hundred billion dollars on metaverse, and all he has to show for it is some crappy avatars. Meanwhile, Apple spent a tenth of that, and created the world's first and world's best spatial computer, which allows people to do holographic video calls and feel like they're in the same room with friends and family.

One is a company built on screwing over people, the other is built on empowering and enriching people by creating wonderful tools.

Mark Gurman is wrong
 
They did poach a large number of Apple engineers, but of course just having the engineers is not a guarantee of success. I always wondered why people would leave Apple for Meta. I mean, you'd be literally working for a company that is actively trying to make you obsolete. What's the strategy here? I mean, at the end of the day, I just hope that this means that Meta has lost (and will continue to) a crapload of $$$
 
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