I think that chart has mashed the current generation with the next one. Those X Elite and Plus models are the current ones. I do believe that the next generation of Qualcomm chips will be big.Little, but while the current ones had an 8+4 config, they were all the same core.Here is an image that seems to suggest three versions of the SoC
It looks from the chart as though Qualcomm may be going big.little in some of the second gen. The linked site is difficult to read, as the text is mostly Hangul.
Nuvia: don’t hold your breath
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Qualcomm has a better December:
www.notebookcheck.net
Snapdragon X Elite Windows laptops proved to be popular in December 2024 as Qualcomm notes healthy surge in demand
According to Qualcomm CEO Cristiano Amon, sales of the Snapdragon X-based Windows machines reached a double-digit market share in December 2024 in the US in the >$800 pricing category. This development seems to be a marked improvement over the sales of the Snapdragon laptops in the previous months.
www.notebookcheck.net
SoftBank buying Ampere and ARM to actually make chips for Meta:
www.notebookcheck.net
This came up during the trial when ARM waffled on whether they would do this saying they had explored it but abandoned the idea because they would be competing with their customers. I guess they changed their mind. I believe ARM is continuing to challenge the previous case, but only the question, about Nuvia's license, that the jury was hung on rather than both.
Arm to enter the chip making business with Meta as a confirmed customer
Financial Times reports that Arm plans to launch its own line of chips in the coming months. They will supposedly power servers at Meta, who is said to be Arm's first major client.
www.notebookcheck.net
This came up during the trial when ARM waffled on whether they would do this saying they had explored it but abandoned the idea because they would be competing with their customers. I guess they changed their mind. I believe ARM is continuing to challenge the previous case, but only the question, about Nuvia's license, that the jury was hung on rather than both.
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I ran some totally unscientific tests on an ARM SP11 by loading up explorer, the start menu and quick settings menu while monitoring resource usage in Task Manager. CPU and GPU usage shoot up quickly to 10% and then quickly ramp down to idle.
The Lunar Lake GPU has much higher performance compared to Adreno so it can't be the GPU contributing to snappiness. I think it's a combination of the Windows scheduler and the Oryon core design that allows extremely fast voltage/frequency ramp-up for performance and then ramping down to idle just as fast for efficiency. It really feels like an Apple Silicon MacBook.”
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I ran some totally unscientific tests on an ARM SP11 by loading up explorer, the start menu and quick settings menu while monitoring resource usage in Task Manager. CPU and GPU usage shoot up quickly to 10% and then quickly ramp down to idle.
The Lunar Lake GPU has much higher performance compared to Adreno so it can't be the GPU contributing to snappiness. I think it's a combination of the Windows scheduler and the Oryon core design that allows extremely fast voltage/frequency ramp-up for performance and then ramping down to idle just as fast for efficiency. It really feels like an Apple Silicon MacBook.”
Yeah in truth lunar lake big core ST is as good as Oryon for Integer (which again says a lot about Intel given this crafty skunk works effort, so should horrify them) on performance/w and performance. And the e cores are a bit better at very low power.
This is something that’s missed even if the dynamic power is fine I think. They can’t us their p core cluster the same way QC would or Apple. It has lower latency and a great memory subsystem but like, is that worth it overall? Doubtful.
could be a firmware issue with scheduling per MS but I think most likely there may really be something to the idea Oryon can ramp faster and Intel is more cautious about using P cores in the real world, because even having those at near idle sucks extra power due to their awful fabric for the P cores.
Qualcomm’s clusters design are the closest to Apple by all structural means we can tell.
This is something that’s missed even if the dynamic power is fine I think. They can’t us their p core cluster the same way QC would or Apple. It has lower latency and a great memory subsystem but like, is that worth it overall? Doubtful.
could be a firmware issue with scheduling per MS but I think most likely there may really be something to the idea Oryon can ramp faster and Intel is more cautious about using P cores in the real world, because even having those at near idle sucks extra power due to their awful fabric for the P cores.
Qualcomm’s clusters design are the closest to Apple by all structural means we can tell.