Nuvia: don’t hold your breath
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It's been 3 years since the Nuvia acquisition. Qualcomm has since put out 3 cores.
Oryon (Gen 1)
Oryon-L (Gen 2)
Oryon-M (Gen 2)
It seems Gerard Williams and Co. are really starting to hit their stride.
The only thing that can stop them is that accursed lawsuit by ARM...
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also they suck
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Is there any chance we can wait until they deliver what they claim before endless praise? I’m rather tired of the, just wait till you see what’s coming, schtick.
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
Sure they prob. Won’t get the original optimistic projection of 2000 at 2.5W or something soon, that’s history now.
However:
I think they did just deliver -57% power iso-performance on the X Elite with the 8 Elite and V2, primarily with architecture changes, and a massive increase in baseline ST they can yield from 2450 to 3200 — and doing so around the same power (or ~ 30% more perf iso-power).
Better just slightly than the X925. At worst they’re doing 10% better iso-power than an Arm core and with lower IP costs. Which is still exciting seeing as those X cores also Improved a great deal in the last 2-3 years still.
Intel is toss up on ST perf/W vs the X Elite, with a more expensive die. So an 8 Elite with Oryon V2 in a laptop (with more cores and diff bus width) would already blow that out of the water and in real use, same with the X925 and A7x stuff that Nvidia is going to use soon for 2025.
I agree the X Elite was disappointing in its core curve and GPU especially. But anyway, looking at the trajectory, things are looking up for Windows and Android both, software notwithstanding lol.
However:
I think they did just deliver -57% power iso-performance on the X Elite with the 8 Elite and V2, primarily with architecture changes, and a massive increase in baseline ST they can yield from 2450 to 3200 — and doing so around the same power (or ~ 30% more perf iso-power).
Better just slightly than the X925. At worst they’re doing 10% better iso-power than an Arm core and with lower IP costs. Which is still exciting seeing as those X cores also Improved a great deal in the last 2-3 years still.
Intel is toss up on ST perf/W vs the X Elite, with a more expensive die. So an 8 Elite with Oryon V2 in a laptop (with more cores and diff bus width) would already blow that out of the water and in real use, same with the X925 and A7x stuff that Nvidia is going to use soon for 2025.
I agree the X Elite was disappointing in its core curve and GPU especially. But anyway, looking at the trajectory, things are looking up for Windows and Android both, software notwithstanding lol.
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I’m not claiming what QC engineers have done is disappointing. I think they have done a very good job. I would just prefer if their CEO and marketers tried less to claim credit now, for things they will or may do in the future. That’s not exclusive to QC, but I find it fatiguing nonetheless.
See I just ignore most of this stuff and look where the grass is actually green since usually there’s still a lot of improvement. Intel has done what QC has but on steroids for years, and they’re not the only one either obviously. Apple is the only one that really sandbags, AMD sometimes slightly though also does some disingenuous stuff just less so.
I did make salient the M2 Max shadiness here and elsewhere though and I agree the original claims about their performance and performance/W were way too enthusiastic.