Roe vs. Wade overturned

[Chew Toy McCoy]

I have questions about something that seems to get read over without even flinching. Exactly how much incest is going on in this country? Apparently enough to give it a specific mention in this debate. “In cases of rape OR incest” That insinuates there’s a lot of consensual incest going on, or at a minimum “not legitimate rape”. WTF to all that. Do we have demographics on these incest practitioners? I feel like there’s going to be a lot more of that on the right than the left’s elite satanic baby eaters.

 

[SuperMatt]

I have questions about something that seems to get read over without even flinching. Exactly how much incest is going on in this country? Apparently enough to give it a specific mention in this debate. “In cases of rape OR incest” That insinuates there’s a lot of consensual incest going on, or at a minimum “not legitimate rape”. WTF to all that. Do we have demographics on these incest practitioners? I feel like there’s going to be a lot more of that on the right than the left’s elite satanic baby eaters.

The percentages are quite low. So you’re not saving millions of fetuses by blocking abortion access to the victims. It’s inhuman to force a rape and/or incest victim to give birth.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

The percentages are quite low. So you’re not saving millions of fetuses by blocking abortion access to the victims. It’s inhuman to force a rape and/or incest victim to give birth.

I'm pro-choice, but I think that's an odd distinction. Again, like there's a lot of consensual incest going on within general incest.

 

[Eric]

Between the SCOTUS justices on record lying during their confirmation hearings and this leaking out it's put their backs against the wall.

Republicans Suddenly Don't Want To Talk About Banning Abortion​

Republicans Suddenly Don't Want To Talk About Banning Abortion

An epic victory at the Supreme Court was no cause for celebration among Senate conservatives on Tuesday.

www.huffpost.com

 

[ouimetnick]

Curious to why Supreme Court justices need to go though any confirmation hearing. If what they say during those meetings with senators and publicly at their confirmation hearings ends up being ignored when they are actual justices and no easy way to remove them from the bench, what’s the point?

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

A few hot takes from progressives and/or people who know US history didn’t start the day Trump took office.

Not entirely to blame, but….

Blame the ego of Ruth Bader Ginsburg for refusing to retire under Obama and believing she would do it under President Hillary.

Blame Democrats for largely giving lip service to protections when they could have actually done something about it, specifically making it federal law when Obama had a super majority. This is one of many examples of Democrats assuming they had their traditional base in the bag no matter what they did/didn’t do, abandoned them and moved on to trying to win over moderate Republicans.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Curious to why Supreme Court justices need to go though any confirmation hearing. If what they say during those meetings with senators and publicly at their confirmation hearings ends up being ignored when they are actual justices and no easy way to remove them from the bench, what’s the point?

It's almost as if a major branch of the government that isn't elected to office, largely operates in secret, has no term limits, and isn't held accountable might be a bad thing.

 

[lizkat]

Between the SCOTUS justices on record lying during their confirmation hearings and this leaking out it's put their backs against the wall.

Republicans Suddenly Don't Want To Talk About Banning Abortion​

Republicans Suddenly Don't Want To Talk About Banning Abortion

An epic victory at the Supreme Court was no cause for celebration among Senate conservatives on Tuesday.

www.huffpost.com

Yeah if the leak came from the right in hopes of nailing down the four conservatives who had sided with Alito in the original vote, there was some pretty insulated if partisan bubble-thought going on there.

There was no way the Rs would have wanted overturn of Roe v Wade to become an issue to compete with their laundry list of anti-Biden screeds during campaigns for the 2022 midterm elections.

The Republican Party's plan was to go with Trump's candidates where he'd made endorsements if it looked like his picks could win, and otherwise slam Biden on the economy, deal in generalities about lefties being socialists and soft on immigration, street crime and yada yada... with "culture wars" left to the likes of Tucker Carlson, who pegs away at that all the time anyway, so the GOP hoped he could just be counted on to keep the base riled up enough to at least remember to check their voter registrations.​

In other words "hot button" issues were to be subsumed in local campaigns to "how's your wallet doing with Biden at the helm?" but now the only topic is Roe v Wade and related spinoffs like "did Trump's court picks lie to US Senators during their confirmation hearings?".

John Roberts must be ready to tear out his hair, especially if the justices had decided --since that first draft-- to narrow the opinion and leave Roe v Wade dangling at cliffside for awhile yet.

I believe that Roberts will have tried to persuade one or more of the Trump-picked justices to join him in voting to do exactly that. If he was successful, who knows whether the leak of the draft will now cause another rethinking of the case and related final opinions.

 

[Eric]

Yeah if the leak came from the right in hopes of nailing down the four conservatives who had sided with Alito in the original vote, there was some pretty insulated if partisan bubble-thought going on there.

There was no way the Rs would have wanted overturn of Roe v Wade to become an issue to compete with their laundry list of anti-Biden screeds during campaigns for the 2022 midterm elections.

The Republican Party's plan was to go with Trump's candidates where he'd made endorsements if it looked like his picks could win, and otherwise slam Biden on the economy, deal in generalities about lefties being socialists and soft on immigration, street crime and yada yada... with "culture wars" left to the likes of Tucker Carlson, who pegs away at that all the time anyway, so the GOP hoped he could just be counted on to keep the base riled up enough to at least remember to check their voter registrations.​

In other words "hot button" issues were to be subsumed in local campaigns to "how's your wallet doing with Biden at the helm?" but now the only topic is Roe v Wade and related spinoffs like "did Trump's court picks lie to US Senators during their confirmation hearings?".

John Roberts must be ready to tear out his hair, especially if the justices had decided --since that first draft-- to narrow the opinion and leave Roe v Wade dangling at cliffside for awhile yet.

I believe that Roberts will have tried to persuade one or more of the Trump-picked justices to join him in voting to do exactly that. If he was successful, who knows whether the leak of the draft will now cause another rethinking of the case and related final opinions.

If that's the case it would appear they miscalculated egregiously. I heard a local attorney on the news, who is authorized to argue to the SCOTUS, say that he's not sure how it is now but they used to release the same draft in several different forms and would move things like an apostrophe or a comma on each to note which copy came from which source. Interesting, if something like that is still applicable they have a good chance of determining where it came from.

 

[rdrr]

The percentages are quite low. So you’re not saving millions of fetuses by blocking abortion access to the victims. It’s inhuman to force a rape and/or incest victim to give birth.

What they are really saying is the only time you have a right to control your own body, is someone has to violate it first.

 

[SuperMatt]

A few hot takes from progressives and/or people who know US history didn’t start the day Trump took office.

Not entirely to blame, but….

Blame the ego of Ruth Bader Ginsburg for refusing to retire under Obama and believing she would do it under President Hillary.

Blame Democrats for largely giving lip service to protections when they could have actually done something about it, specifically making it federal law when Obama had a super majority. This is one of many examples of Democrats assuming they had their traditional base in the bag no matter what they did/didn’t do, abandoned them and moved on to trying to win over moderate Republicans.

Don’t such people ever get tired of blaming Democrats for the bad things done by Republicans? It’s like they are looking for an excuse to vote GOP even with the terrible things done by that Party.

“Democrats aren’t doing enough” is nonsense. Try actually voting more of them in so they can get a sizable majority. Or... whine and stay home and/or vote for the Trump crowd. Seems like many are choosing the latter. I hope this terrible ruling will be the impetus for them to pursue the former instead.

 

[ronntaylor]

“Democrats aren’t doing enough” is nonsense.

Especially when the vast majority of Dems are voting for progressive legislation. They're being thwarted by Manchin and Sinema, with Kelly occasionally piping in. Same when Obama was president being thwarted by so-called Blue Dog Dems. I guess everyone forgets the fracture they caused back then. Dems have never been a monolith and for so-called progressives to not see this is mind blowing.

And while I wanted Ginsburg to retire once Obama won a 2nd term, I don't recall anyone calling for Kennedy to similarly resign. And he did so when it was clear that Mango was going to replace him with a right wing ideologue. Not to mention all the shady shit surrounding his retirement (his son, Deutche Bank, the Russians, etc).

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Don’t such people ever get tired of blaming Democrats for the bad things done by Republicans? It’s like they are looking for an excuse to vote GOP even with the terrible things done by that Party.

“Democrats aren’t doing enough” is nonsense. Try actually voting more of them in so they can get a sizable majority. Or... whine and stay home and/or vote for the Trump crowd. Seems like many are choosing the latter. I hope this terrible ruling will be the impetus for them to pursue the former instead.

It took both sides to get us here. It’s not like everybody in Germany in the 30’s went “Things are really going great, but you know what? I really hate Jews.” I honestly don’t know the details of why the Weirmar Republic let things get so bad, but I don’t think anybody could say they did everything possible to prevent the popularity and rise of Hitler. A lot of what they did do was stand around in disbelief which I feel a lot of people on the left are currently doing.

If this draft (or ultimate) decision turns out to be a big nothing burger on voting decisions then we’re in a lot of trouble. To many this is considered the holy grail of the far-right agenda. If it passes without much of a cost to the Republicans then what’s to stop them from doing everything else on their wishlist.

 

[SuperMatt]

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1522250874143260673/

Not a good look...

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1522250874143260673/

Not a good look...

I found the security system they use when the right gets mad.

You can probably get it cheaper at Amazon.

 

[lizkat]

I found the security system they use when the right gets mad.

Yeah, gee. For an incipient insurrection, some tinfoil barrier gates. For free speech, well... eight foot fences, just in case.,

 

[Renzatic]

Blame Democrats for largely giving lip service to protections when they could have actually done something about it, specifically making it federal law when Obama had a super majority. This is one of many examples of Democrats assuming they had their traditional base in the bag no matter what they did/didn’t do, abandoned them and moved on to trying to win over moderate Republicans.

If there is one great casualty of the culture war, it's America's collective understanding that, no matter who's policies you ultimately support, politicians will always be politicians, and should always be treated as if they're stupid, hyperactive children in an antiques store.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

If there is one great casualty of the culture war, it's America's collective understanding that, no matter who's policies you ultimately support, politicians will always be politicians, and should always be treated as if they're stupid, hyperactive children in an antiques store.

Going through decades, I don't know if anybody can claim major continuous victories other than the rich. The rest of us get bandaids and excuses for failure.

 

[Renzatic]

I've found my new political hero.

 

[fooferdoggie]

I've found my new political hero.

great now QAnon will run with it. Marjorie trailer grease will be talking about this.