Shooting in Portland

[User.45]

If I remember correctly, Lostngone lives in Alaska, where you have to fight off polar bears and wendigos just to go to the grocery store.

Honestly, we should be asking ourselves whether an AR-15 is enough for him.

Certainly not, unless you make wendigos believe it's an assault rifle

 

[Renzatic]

Certainly not, unless you make wendigos believe it's an assault rifle

I hear Canada is even worse, and they don't even have guns there.

 

[User.45]

I hear Canada is even worse, and they don't even have guns there.

Their polar bears look like this after eating all those juicy Canadians:

 

[Renzatic]

Their polar bears look like this after eating all those juicy Canadians:

There's a reason why the whole country only has 50 people in it.

 

[User.45]

Oh, so you don’t like my answer? Look who is moving on now. How disappointing...

No, I got it. 2A. Thank you.

 

[User.45]

There's a reason why the whole country only has 50 people in it.

What's absurd is they have a gun homicide rate of 0.6/100K/yr. In the US, an estimate of 0.5/100K/yr are killed in police custody.

 

[Yoused]

In Churchill Manitoba, I have heard, you can get fined for locking your door: if a person has nowhere to duck out of the way of those large hungry white things, death can ensue.

 

[User.45]

In Churchill Manitoba, I have heard, you can get fined for locking your door: if a person has nowhere to duck out of the way of those large hungry white things, death can ensue.

LOL.
"Many locals even leave their cars unlocked in case someone needs to make a quick escape from the polar bears in the area.[21] Local authorities maintain a so-called "polar bear jail" where bears (mostly adolescents) who persistently loiter in or close to town, are held after being tranquilised, pending release back into the wild when the bay freezes over.[22] It is the subject of a poem, Churchill Bear Jail, by Salish Chief Victor A. Charlo.[23]"

Churchill, Manitoba - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Citizenzen]

I will make one and it should be enough.
It is my Constitution Right.

Don’t like that FACT? Well then do the work/get the support and have the constitution amended and then pass all the anti-gun laws you want.

There are countless steps that could be taken without having to amend the Constitution. No right is limitless. Every right comes with responsibilities, and it’s time we started imposing a few more on you and other gun owners.

 

[Yoused]

The person suspected in the shooting in Portland has been snuffed by the team attempting to take him into custody in Lacey WA (near Olympia, about 100+ miles north of Portland).

During the encounter, Reinoehl was shot by a law enforcement officer who was working on the federal task force, the official said. The official said Reinoehl had pulled a gun during the encounter and was shot by law enforcement.

Yeah, "pulled a gun". At this point, I regard anything that the police say with a hefty dose of skepticism.

 

[Citizenzen]

... Anyone else. Can you guys explain why an AR-15 is needed? ...

As a veteran of many gun debates through the years, the standard, stock answer you hear from gun advocates is, “it’s not about need.”

 

[JayMysteri0]

Here's the interview. The man was actually killed before the interview was posted on Youtube.

 

[User.45]

Here's the interview. The man was actually killed before the interview was posted on Youtube.

It's a weird interview.

The person suspected in the shooting in Portland has been snuffed by the team attempting to take him into custody in Lacey WA (near Olympia, about 100+ miles north of Portland).


Yeah, "pulled a gun". At this point, I regard anything that the police say with a hefty dose of skepticism.

Definitely agree on this. I will not take police's word on anything that matters if there is no body cam footage. Four officers shot, so we should have quality footage... If we don't well, you guys know.

 

[SuperMatt]

He should have turned himself in. I don't know what transpired during the arrest, but his history shows possible mental problems, or at the very least, massive tendencies to take unnecessary risks.

Suspect in Fatal Portland Shooting Is Killed by Officers During Arrest (Published 2020)

Law enforcement agents killed Michael Forest Reinoehl while trying to arrest him, four officials said. He was being investigated in the fatal shooting of a supporter of a far-right group.

www.nytimes.com

 

[User.45]

He should have turned himself in. I don't know what transpired during the arrest, but his history shows possible mental problems, or at the very least, massive tendencies to take unnecessary risks.

Suspect in Fatal Portland Shooting Is Killed by Officers During Arrest (Published 2020)

Law enforcement agents killed Michael Forest Reinoehl while trying to arrest him, four officials said. He was being investigated in the fatal shooting of a supporter of a far-right group.

www.nytimes.com

Agree. And getting his kids into trouble. Just bad, bad, bad choices.

 

[hulugu]

Ok. It was very nice conversing with you.

Anyone else. Can you guys explain why an AR-15 is needed? I wonder if 2A would allow me to have arm launched remote controlled weaponized drone if it took individual trigger pulls to make the drone discharge a single bullet?

Needed? No.

I really can't see how the AR-15 fits into any reasonable standard of need.

And, really, the gun lobby goes need to think about how armed drones fit within their current philosophy. Cynically, if Winchester decides to build one, the NRA will think it's necessary and babble about how the government has them too, and it's not fair if criminals can kill people remotely, but homeowners can deploy their own armed drones into the fray like WWI-era biplanes.

Less cynically, the gun lobby will treat drones as some exoteric thing and ignore them, letting the FAA restrict armed drones. But, it's certainly coming eventually that a remote drone will be used to fly an explosive to someone—ala the "slamhound" in Gibson's "Count Zero"—or that someone will attach a pistol with a large magazine and mow down a bunch of people at a mall.

I've long said that the people who talk about the 2A as a defense against tyranny are kidding themselves, because the people who can afford guns are often part of the power structure that's tyrannical, and our current crop of "militias" are far more likely to be brown shirts, operating for a despotic government than freedom fighters.

We're seeing it even now. The militias who believe that the federal government might come to restrict our freedoms geared up and went to Portland to—checks notes—attack people who are protesting the local and federal government.

While small guerrilla forces have dented large foreign armies, even that lesson ignores the extremely high rate of civilian casualties in those wars, the value of a foreign supporter, and the chaos that comes after the fact. Essentially, the AR-15 is a symbolically a doomsday weapon.

 

[User.45]

Needed? No.

I really can't see how the AR-15 fits into any reasonable standard of need.

And, really, the gun lobby goes need to think about how armed drones fit within their current philosophy. Cynically, if Winchester decides to build one, the NRA will think it's necessary and babble about how the government has them too, and it's not fair if criminals can kill people remotely, but homeowners can deploy their own armed drones into the fray like WWI-era biplanes.

Less cynically, the gun lobby will treat drones as some exoteric thing and ignore them, letting the FAA restrict armed drones. But, it's certainly coming eventually that a remote drone will be used to fly an explosive to someone—ala the "slamhound" in Gibson's "Count Zero"—or that someone will attach a pistol with a large magazine and mow down a bunch of people at a mall.

I've long said that the people who talk about the 2A as a defense against tyranny are kidding themselves, because the people who can afford guns are often part of the power structure that's tyrannical, and our current crop of "militias" are far more likely to be brown shirts, operating for a despotic government than freedom fighters.

We're seeing it even now. The militias who believe that the federal government might come to restrict our freedoms geared up and went to Portland to—checks notes—attack people who are protesting the local and federal government.

While small guerrilla forces have dented large foreign armies, even that lesson ignores the extremely high rate of civilian casualties in those wars, the value of a foreign supporter, and the chaos that comes after the fact. Essentially, the AR-15 is a symbolically a doomsday weapon.

I'll give you an extra for the reference from the Neuromancer trilogy.
You grasped the point I was making with my drone comment. When the 2A was formulated, 'well-regulated' militias were key to maintain the independence of this nation from the Britons. Warfare shifted from gunpowder to robots since, so you need a lot more than rifles to defend from an imaginary invading force. America has a violence issue and that violence emanates into gun violence. There's a trigger on the end of violent impulses and dead bodies on the other end. This is quantifiable, reproducible and frankly, totally obvious.

This nation is fucked by lobbies from pharma hiking insulin prices, to big food selling high-fructose corn syrup or aspartame that make you diabetic, big chem that poisons your water, kills the echosystem, etc. But this isn't evil perhaps, it's greed. But when it comes to the gun lobby? They produce devices that are designed to fracture bones, rip blood vessels apart, explode brains and stop hearts. They also managed to make a deal to flood America with these devices (again more than 1 gun per each man, woman and child), and tainted every aspect of American life. Again, these issues are obvious. Gun murder rate many times higher than any other "developed" nation. Incarceration rate, many times higher than any other "developed" nation. Somehow police decimating the civilian population became a "normal" thing. It's a positive feedback loop, and all serve the purposes of those who make profit from selling guns: more weapons in the hands of bad guys=> more civilian weapons sold => more civilian weapons => bigger police weapons and the cycle continues. We also have a lot of hypocrisy here. We expect cops to de-escalate (I especially do!), but the ultimate de-escalation is reducing the number of weapons circulating. BTW, annually nearly 20K weapons get stolen or lost. To give an extreme example, how did humanity (almost...) achieve denuclearization? Definitely not by handing out more nukes to everybody.

It's all ironic, because a good proportion of people who advocate having more guns would also prefer immigration from "developed" countries, whereas for someone who is looking at America from these countries with social security, employment-independent healthcare (which is absolute key to avoid exploitation by employers), free or reasonably priced and generally higher quality education, and order of magnitude higher personal safety will perceive the USA less and less appealing. This safety gradient means, the USA will only remain appealing to those to whom this mess what we have still constitutes as safe. bRowN peOpLe!!#@&$#&!!

Additionally, it is no surprise that Dunning and Kruger described their phenomenon in the USA. We have the some most confident idiots I've ever met in my life. We even managed to elect one. How can you trust people to have the judgement to possess powers to take someone's life in an impulse, who can't even comprehend the basic necessities to keep their environments safe non-violently (yes I'm talking about COVID). So no, giving guns to everyone because it's a "right" will just hasten the downfall of this nation. And it's obvious.

/rant over

 

[Yoused]

The Portland shooting victim's friends depict him as a wonderful guy, but,

The documents said victim Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a supporter of a right-wing group called Patriot Prayer, was wearing a loaded Glock pistol in a holster and had bear spray and an expandable metal baton when someone said something like “wanna go,” which is frequently a challenge to a fight.​

it looks like he came ready to rumble.

 

[Citizenzen]

The Portland shooting victim's friends depict him as a wonderful guy, but,

The documents said victim Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a supporter of a right-wing group called Patriot Prayer, was wearing a loaded Glock pistol in a holster and had bear spray and an expandable metal baton when someone said something like “wanna go,” which is frequently a challenge to a fight.​

it looks like he came ready to rumble.

Still impolite to shoot him. The proper response to, “wanna go,” is, “no, thank you.”

 

[User.45]

Still impolite to shoot him. The proper response to, “wanna go,” is, “no, thank you.”

How dare you deescalate!