Studio Display XDR and my wallet's demise

[casperes1996]

For about a year now (since the M4 Max Mac Studio came out and I bought it) I've been waiting for a new Studio Display. I got one of the cheapest acceptable display panels I could find (had a minimum requirement of 27" 4K) and then rolled with that as a temporary solution until now.
The Studio Display XDR is all I wanted and more... It's the "more" that's the problem.
I could forego AdobeRGB, accept 1600 Nitts instead of 2000, live with the rumoured 90hz instead of 120hz (which btw, unlike what some say is not ProMotion, but rather Adaptive Sync, which I'm happy with) - If I could get the price down just a smidge. I'll honestly probably still pull the trigger, but jeez, it hurts a lot more than I expected - I was waiting on an upgrade like this at the price point of the regular Studio Display. But it just got improved IO, speakers and camera and kept its price. So now I'm grumbling and considering something I expected to be an instant buy

 

[Cmaier]

The way I figure it, you can keep the monitor through multiple generations of computer, so the price per-year is cheap. Right? Right?

 

[dada_dave]

The way I figure it, you can keep the monitor through multiple generations of computer, so the price per-year is cheap. Right? Right?

I can't afford to save that much money!

 

[Cmaier]

I can't afford to save that much money!

Have a kid, wait for the kid to get into school, and save yourself $100 with the education discount.

Glad I can be your finance guru.

 

[Eric]

For about a year now (since the M4 Max Mac Studio came out and I bought it) I've been waiting for a new Studio Display. I got one of the cheapest acceptable display panels I could find (had a minimum requirement of 27" 4K) and then rolled with that as a temporary solution until now.
The Studio Display XDR is all I wanted and more... It's the "more" that's the problem.
I could forego AdobeRGB, accept 1600 Nitts instead of 2000, live with the rumoured 90hz instead of 120hz (which btw, unlike what some say is not ProMotion, but rather Adaptive Sync, which I'm happy with) - If I could get the price down just a smidge. I'll honestly probably still pull the trigger, but jeez, it hurts a lot more than I expected - I was waiting on an upgrade like this at the price point of the regular Studio Display. But it just got improved IO, speakers and camera and kept its price. So now I'm grumbling and considering something I expected to be an instant buy

I know you're talking about the XDR but as you may have seen in my oher post I was really disappointed in the original Studio Display for the price, which is significantly higher than those in the same competitive class, and at least those support HDR. It was the first time I ever really felt robbed by Apple and took it right back opting to keep my 27" LG.

 

[dada_dave]

I know you're talking about the XDR but as you may have seen in my oher post I was really disappointed in the original Studio Display for the price, which is significantly higher than those in the same competitive class, and at least those support HDR. It was the first time I ever really felt robbed by Apple and took it right back opting to keep my 27" LG.

I still don't see HDR mentioned on the new Studio non-XDR display. It looks like they just upgraded the ports? Edit: okay they also did a small upgrade to the front camera and the speakers.

 

[Jimmyjames]

Mixed feelings on the new displays.

The base display seems poor value. No HDR. No Pro Motion. No thanks.

The XDR seems good. I like the updated specs and especially that it now has VRR. Much better price than the Pro Display XDR but still very expensive.

I think I will save up for it and fortunately, based on the infrequent updates to their stand alone displays, I have plenty of time.

 

[Eric]

I still don't see HDR mentioned on the new Studio non-XDR display. It looks like they just upgraded the ports? Edit: okay they also did a small upgrade to the front camera and the speakers.

The additional ports were one of the best selling points IMO, still not worth that outrageous price but pretty handy. When I returned it I bought a hub to keep that functionality.

 

[Cmaier]

New Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR Don't Work With Intel Macs

If you still have a Mac with an Intel chip inside, you're not going to want to pick up one of the new Studio Display or Studio Display XDR models. According to Apple's list of compatible Macs, neither model will work with an Intel-based Mac. Apple says that the Studio Display is compatible with...

www.macrumors.com

Why does the monitor care what it is plugged into?

 

[Citysnaps]

New Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR Don't Work With Intel Macs

If you still have a Mac with an Intel chip inside, you're not going to want to pick up one of the new Studio Display or Studio Display XDR models. According to Apple's list of compatible Macs, neither model will work with an Intel-based Mac. Apple says that the Studio Display is compatible with...

www.macrumors.com

Why does the monitor care what it is plugged into?

A guess.... It might have something to do with Studio Display's automatic framing wide angle camera being able to pan and zoom, keeping you in the frame should you move around during video calls. I think that uses Center Stage on the computer it's plugged into - which may not be available on Intel Macs.

 

[Cmaier]

A guess.... It might have something to do with Studio Display's automatic framing wide angle camera being able to pan and zoom, keeping you in the frame should you move around during video calls. I think that uses Center Stage on the computer it's plugged into - which may not be available on Intel Macs.

oh. But can you use it as a monitor without the camera?

 

[Citysnaps]

oh. But can you use it as a monitor without the camera?

Don't know. Mine's only been plugged into a Mac Studio.

 

[DT]

Love just for the thread name

 

[Cmaier]

Love just for the thread name

My wallet is cowering in fear, knowing what will happen when the M6 Macbook Pros with OLED, touchscreen, and whatever else comes out later this year.

 

[Vincent Hannah]

New Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR Don't Work With Intel Macs

If you still have a Mac with an Intel chip inside, you're not going to want to pick up one of the new Studio Display or Studio Display XDR models. According to Apple's list of compatible Macs, neither model will work with an Intel-based Mac. Apple says that the Studio Display is compatible with...

www.macrumors.com

Why does the monitor care what it is plugged into?

Because they no longer have A-series chips to aid those anemic old Intel CPUs.

 

[casperes1996]

I know you're talking about the XDR but as you may have seen in my oher post I was really disappointed in the original Studio Display for the price, which is significantly higher than those in the same competitive class, and at least those support HDR. It was the first time I ever really felt robbed by Apple and took it right back opting to keep my 27" LG.

Yeah. When I bought my Mac Studio with M4 Max last year I considered the Studio Display a lot but just could not justify it when compared to other 5K panel options out, or even good 4K panels. I considered getting the 5K ProArt display for a long time before settling with myself "I'll wait for an updated Studio Display that'll be better, with ProMotion/VRR/AdaptiveSync and good HDR"... And now we're here. Where I expected to get those things at the same price the old Studio Display had, but instead, it just stayed as is (other than small speaker, camera and IO improvements) and the XDR costs wackers. But it also offers more than I was expecting. I was expecting the 90hz rumours, peak HDR brightness of 1600, and only P3 color space. I'd rather have had that at the old Studio Display price than having higher specs at this price, but alas. Come pre-order time tomorrow I think I'll bite the bullet. It's more than two month's worth of rent for the landlord. But I've wanted it for a while, I still want it, and I can afford it even if it is a big expense. The savings for buying a house can wait a little longer...
And I'm also justifying it to myself saying it'll last much longer than my old iMac, which I would still be using the screen of if not for outgrowing the computer, and I'm sure some of these stocks I have will bounce back eventually and so on and so on. But it's all just trying to convince myself that my pleasure-purchase isn't overly frivolous, which realistically, it is. I just really want it.

 

[casperes1996]

oh. But can you use it as a monitor without the camera?

What about non-Macs? What if you plug a PC into it?

I can see an argument that maybe there wasn't an Intel chip that supported a high enough spec of DisplayPort over USB-C/Thunderbolt, or whatever to drive the display - I'm not quite sure if that changed between the latest Intel Macs and the first Apple Silicon Macs, can't recall, but then again, if the old Intel Macs could run the LG Ultra Fine 5K or prior gen Studio Display at 5K60 then you'd think that'd be enough. Though they may hove dropped Display Stream Compression requiring better IO? Or it is all just about extra bandwidth for the other IO ports, camera and such and older Intel Macs and PCs can run the display at 5K60 but just doesn't support enough of its feature set to qualify as supported. We'll have to wait and see I guess