General Trump administration to launch war on Tylenol in unfounded link to autism

Herdfan said:
I agree on the difference between association, correlation and causation.

But it does seem there is enough for a major study with proper controls to see if there actually is causation or not.
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And there have been studies, and so far there is no clear answer. You can’t go force pregnant women to take tylenol or a placebo - there are ethical constraints - so you end up doing what they did in this paper, which is statistical analysis of other studies.

Which means it is irresponsible for your orange turd to yell “we figured out where autism comes from - tylenol did it!” It’s not how science works.
 
Cmaier said:
And there have been studies, and so far there is no clear answer. You can’t go force pregnant women to take tylenol or a placebo - there are ethical constraints - so you end up doing what they did in this paper, which is statistical analysis of other studies.

Which means it is irresponsible for your orange turd to yell “we figured out where autism comes from - tylenol did it!” It’s not how science works.
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Yes. You would have to find women who didn’t take Tylenol on their own vs selecting some to not take it. So yes, there are challenges.

As for what Trump did or didn’t do, I can’t go there at risk of being further banned.
 
Herdfan said:
I agree on the difference between association, correlation and causation.

But it does seem there is enough for a major study with proper controls to see if there actually is causation or not.
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there are a ton of studies, and no one has been able to come to a solid conclusion. Thats why you don't fucking announce it from the Whitehouse just so you can score points. of course, the product that they got the FDA to approve is the one that dr oz sells imagine that.
 
Herdfan said:
Yes. You would have to find women who didn’t take Tylenol on their own vs selecting some to not take it. So yes, there are challenges.

As for what Trump did or didn’t do, I can’t go there at risk of being further banned.
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There have been a ton of posts from those women. Plus the Amash and such have autistic kids.
 
Cmaier said:
Except it doesn’t say what RFK/Trump say. It says there is an association. Correlation is not causation. Pregnant women have fevers and other symptoms that might be the cause of autism/adhd, so they take tylenol to feel better. That premise is just as likely based on the paper.
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Literally every doctor on TV, even the Fox News affiliates, and medical organization are saying the exact same thing. You cannot find a single one of them recommending this new guideline, all it's going to do is add confusion. They're saying that the bottom line is that fevers in the mother are far riskier to the children and you have to applaud them for holding their tongues.

Every news outlet is saying "Trump is suggesting, without evidence, that women stop taking Tylenol".

Also, if anyone's taking medical advice from RFK and Donald Trump right now over their own doctors that's on them. Once These guys are out of office hopefully we'll get back to a sense of normalcy.
 
Herdfan said:
Well, I know you will all immediately discount this post because I am the one who posted it, but it is from Harvard. So you have a dilemma.

hsph.harvard.edu

Using acetaminophen during pregnancy may increase children’s autism and ADHD risk | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

When children are exposed to acetaminophen—also known by the brand name Tylenol or as paracetamol—during pregnancy, they may be more likely to develop neurodevelopmental disorders including autism and ADHD, according to a new study.
hsph.harvard.edu hsph.harvard.edu

Now most of us are not experts on how to read studies like this, but name and summary seem to indicate something.
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Cool. cool.

Now do all the studies that say man-caused climate change is real.
 
Herdfan said:
but name and summary seem to indicate something.
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Indeed they do, e.g., that the lead author was an expert witness in a class action lawsuit against Tylenol. And he has also stated that it would be wrong to assume causation from their data.

And there already have been multiple large studies on Tylenol and autism, which this Meta-analysis tried to summarize, confirming that Tylenol use in pregnancy was associated with autism, but the original studies show an even stronger association with conditions that would make you want to take Tylenol, like Fevers, UTI, etc.
One of the largest studies to date that included sibling comparisons to control for the confounding effects of genetics and environment showed loss of the association if you took those confounders into account (separate pregnancies in the same woman with and without Tylenol exposure had similar chances of having an affected child).

And as to "You would have to find women who didn’t take Tylenol on their own vs selecting some to not take it."

Comparing pregnancies with and without Tylenol exposure retrospectively is exactly what these studies did, so I don't know what you are trying to say.
 
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Cmaier said:
Cool. cool.

Now do all the studies that say man-caused climate change is real.
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A couple of days ago you agreed with Trump on a policy, it's called thinking for yourself. This sort of thing would never happen with MAGA no matter what, you simply cannot reason with them.
 
Eric said:
This sort of thing would never happen with MAGA no matter what, you simply cannot reason with them.
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Probably poking the bear here, but will you admit that after multiple posts by several members including yourself about how Trump’s tariffs were killing the markets and wiping out your retirement funds, that all 3 indexes not only rebounded, but recently hit record highs?

I would be happy to go find previous posts of mine where I have disagreed with Trump and have admitted I was wrong, but since I can’t even read posts in the News section, I am unable to defend myself.
 
Herdfan said:
Probably poking the bear here, but will you admit that after multiple posts by several members including yourself about how Trump’s tariffs were killing the markets and wiping out your retirement funds, that all 3 indexes not only rebounded, but recently hit record highs?

I would be happy to go find previous posts of mine where I have disagreed with Trump and have admitted I was wrong, but since I can’t even read posts in the News section, I am unable to defend myself.
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You're completely missing the point, which is that you will only ever defend MAGA and their talking points, not one time on this forum have you ever had your own opinion on an issue that wasn't exact marching orders from Fox News or Trump.

It won't matter what anyone says, it will never get through your partisan blinders so there's just no point in even arguing/debating with you on any topic. Many members here that you are bashing agree or disagree with issues based on the issue, not who is in charge. You'll never be able to do that.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
People have autism because that's what God blessed them with. God always has a plan and in this case his plan was for you or your kids to have autism. Who are you to question God's plan?

/mystery
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Yep. There are people like that. I don’t understand it, but they do exist. I will refrain from pointing out other nonsense people believe.
 
Herdfan said:
Probably poking the bear here, but will you admit that after multiple posts by several members including yourself about how Trump’s tariffs were killing the markets and wiping out your retirement funds, that all 3 indexes not only rebounded, but recently hit record highs?
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Yeah, and the stock market hit record highs under Biden, despite the fact that people were, and still are, feeling the pressure from inflation.
 
Eric said:
You're completely missing the point, which is that you will only ever defend MAGA and their talking points, not one time on this forum have you ever had your own opinion on an issue that wasn't exact marching orders from Fox News or Trump.
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That is simply not accurate. But you have made it so I can’t go back and find them so I can’t prove otherwise.

But for the record, i disagree with what he did with this announcement. There are many other ways he could have gone with the concept.

As for settled science, there is no such thing. Things declared safe by science in the 50’s are no longer. And things we think are safe now will be found to be unsafe at some point in the future. Science is always evolving.
 
Herdfan said:
As for settled science, there is no such thing.
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Now come on. That’s not true. We learn more, and sometimes we learn that we were mistaken about things. But lot’s of stuff is settled science, testable, provable and proven. If there was no such thing as settled science we couldn’t make microprocessors that function, baseballs would start flying off the bat into outer space, and Ohm’s Law would be Ohm’s Suggestion.

People who point out that scientists change their minds always seem to do so in order to undermine scientific principles they don’t like.
 
Have to credit The Bulwark for these nuggets.

Just so we're clear. Tylenol causes autism including in those diagnosed with it 20 years before Tylenol even came on the market.

There's also a study that links autism to old man sperm. Not shocking this administration would ignore that one. But I will also call bullshit on that one as the main cause, could still be one - but not only, because not every person with autism is the result of a 60-year-old man impregnating a 25-year-old woman.
 
Cmaier said:
Now come on. That’s not true. We learn more, and sometimes we learn that we were mistaken about things. But lot’s of stuff is settled science, testable, provable and proven. If there was no such thing as settled science we couldn’t make microprocessors that function, baseballs would start flying off the bat into outer space, and Ohm’s Law would be Ohm’s Suggestion.

People who point out that scientists change their minds always seem to do so in order to undermine scientific principles they don’t like.
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Yeah but to be fair, why would you listen to medical professionals and peer reviewed science when, ehem:
  • You can cure COVID by "injecting disinfectant"
  • Take Ivermectin instead of the actual vaccine
  • Fluoride causes diseases
  • COVID targets black people
  • And now Tylenol causes Autism, as it did 20 years before it was ever invented
And on a more serious note, women will unnecessarily die or force unnecessary birth defects on their unborn children as a result of this irresponsible government. But hey, that's what America voted for.
 
Eric said:
Yeah but to be fair, why would you listen to medical professionals and peer reviewed science when, ehem:
  • You can cure COVID by "injecting disinfectant"
  • Take Ivermectin instead of the actual vaccine
  • Fluoride causes diseases
  • COVID targets black people
  • And now Tylenol causes Autism, as it did 20 years before it was ever invented
And on a more serious note, women will unnecessarily die or force unnecessary birth defects on their unborn children as a result of this irresponsible government. But hey, that's what America voted for.
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Picky, picky, picky. :)
 
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