Electric Vehicles: Tesla specific talk, current firmware, purchasing, modifications

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Tesla Relents, Reportedly Stops Using the Term 'Autopilot' in California

It had already changed "Full Self-Driving" to "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)."
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In a ranking last year from Consumer Reports, Tesla’s driver assistance was placed eighth, below similar systems from Ford, General Motors, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, and Volkswagen. Kelly Funkhouser of Consumer Reports called it “not nearly as good as what you might think it is,” according to CNBC.
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I don't think Tesla's ADAS has ever been rated highly by Consumer Reports. They have always had an issue with the systems driver engagement (or lack thereof). They have pointed out that (in the past) it will do the right thing right up until it doesn't and since it doesn't keep you engaged in the task you risk an accident/injury.

I am sure they would say the same about FSD (dunno if they have reviewed the newer version to be honest).
 
diamond.g said:
Folks on TMC were talking about this the other day, wondering how long before Tesla uses the interior radar to detect things close to the camera like that (or even if it was possible).
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Wait - they have interior radar? For what? I mean, if radar isn’t necessary for self-driving (as Elon claims), why is it necessary for the interior?
 
Cmaier said:
Wait - they have interior radar? For what? I mean, if radar isn’t necessary for self-driving (as Elon claims), why is it necessary for the interior?
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Imagine if they put that same amount of effort into improving the system instead of preventing cheaters and playing big brother. As it is this system is useless outside of long freeway drives. BMW has a much more sensible and realistic system.
 
And the BMW system keeps getting better. The ix3 and new x5 have cooperative braking, so that if you hit the brakes it doesn’t immediately take you out of self-driving, for example. I’m hoping that by the time my lease is up, the next car will be pretty much hands free most places I drive. (It’s already hands-free for 95% of my daily commute).

Eric said:
Imagine if they put that same amount of effort into improving the system instead of preventing cheaters and playing big brother. As it is this system is useless outside of long freeway drives. BMW has a much more sensible and realistic system.
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Cmaier said:
Wait - they have interior radar? For what? I mean, if radar isn’t necessary for self-driving (as Elon claims), why is it necessary for the interior?
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Occupancy detection. Allegedly in EU the car will kick the AC back on if it detects a person[child] (or pet) in the vehicle along with sending a notification. I don't think that feature exists in NA but the hardware is there for it.
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Eric said:
Imagine if they put that same amount of effort into improving the system instead of preventing cheaters and playing big brother. As it is this system is useless outside of long freeway drives. BMW has a much more sensible and realistic system.
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Useless seems like a strong characterization.

Cmaier said:
And the BMW system keeps getting better. The ix3 and new x5 have cooperative braking, so that if you hit the brakes it doesn’t immediately take you out of self-driving, for example. I’m hoping that by the time my lease is up, the next car will be pretty much hands free most places I drive. (It’s already hands-free for 95% of my daily commute).
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I am curious to see/read how the cooperative braking works. Is BMW working on a point to point system or is this strictly for highway use?
 
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diamond.g said:
Useless seems like a strong characterization.
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I spent way more time fighting it than utilizing it so I firmly stand behind this statement. In the end I stopped using all of the "features" period and just drove the car on my own. It's designed to police the driver, not assist them.
 
diamond.g said:
Occupancy detection. Allegedly in EU the car will kick the AC back on if it detects a person[child] (or pet) in the vehicle along with sending a notification. I don't think that feature exists in NA but the hardware is there for it.
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Useless seems like a strong characterization.


I am curious to see/read how the cooperative braking works. Is BMW working on a point to point system or is this strictly for highway use?
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Steering without hands is still highway (it steers with your hand on the wheel on most other streets). Acceleration/brakes works everywhere.


Anyway, if you need radar to detect that there is someone IN the car, then you need radar to detect that someone is in FRONT of the car. Musk needs to stop pretending it’s not needed.
 
Cmaier said:
Steering without hands is still highway (it steers with your hand on the wheel on most other streets).
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Regardless of the manufacturer I'll never understand the point of this, your hands are on the wheel anyway.
 
Eric said:
I spent way more time fighting it than utilizing it so I firmly stand behind this statement. In the end I stopped using all of the "features" period and just drove the car on my own. It's designed to police the driver, not assist them.
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The AP stack wasn't great. FSD stack is much better, shame they refused to figure out how to get that part of FSD working (without giving the whole thing).
Eric said:
Regardless of the manufacturer I'll never understand the point of this, your hands are on the wheel anyway.
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Evolution of lane keep centering/assist.
 
diamond.g said:
The AP stack wasn't great. FSD stack is much better, shame they refused to figure out how to get that part of FSD working (without giving the whole thing).
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To be fair to Tesla they had their hands tied by regulation, much of it for good reason but it still hindered any real progress so they did an about face on what was originally great design in order to accommodate and just went too far IMO. BMW has found that middle ground as their system is much more organic and works with your rather than rigidly policing you, it's really a pleasure to drive with assist on.
 
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