Electric Vehicles: Tesla specific talk, current firmware, purchasing, modifications

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I never really liked the front of the 3/Y compared to the S/X. Even that little bit of grill makes it look better.
 
Final warning!

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Since covering the cabin cam and putting the cheat device back on the steering wheel I'm once again in a good place, I really only used self-driving on rare occasions anyway which is why I stopped subscribing but this is a good solution and works exactly the way it should IMO.
 
Eric said:
Since covering the cabin cam and putting the cheat device back on the steering wheel I'm once again in a good place, I really only used self-driving on rare occasions anyway which is why I stopped subscribing but this is a good solution and works exactly the way it should IMO.
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Are you using a weight? I thought those didn't work (over time the car figures out you are using them and puts you in time out).
 
diamond.g said:
Are you using a weight? I thought those didn't work (over time the car figures out you are using them and puts you in time out).
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Yes, using a counterweight and the car doesn't catch it, in fact I left it on during a service appointment and they didn't even bat an eye over it lol. I also keep my hand on the wheel for the most part anyway but for the occasional times I need both off the wheel it works great, I've had times where I didn't have to touch for 15 or 20 minutes at a time on the freeway.

It's a weighted system so I'm sure it's hard for it to determine what's real and what isn't, even with the best software. In fact I had more "cheat device detected" warnings when it wasn't on.

BWM uses a capacitive sensor and there's no getting around that one but their auto drive system is way more intuitive so you don't feel the need to cheat it.
 
Eric said:
Yes, using a counterweight and the car doesn't catch it, in fact I left it on during a service appointment and they didn't even bat an eye over it lol. I also keep my hand on the wheel for the most part anyway but for the occasional times I need both off the wheel it works great, I've had times where I didn't have to touch for 15 or 20 minutes at a time on the freeway.

It's a weighted system so I'm sure it's hard for it to determine what's real and what isn't, even with the best software. In fact I had more "cheat device detected" warnings when it wasn't on.

BWM uses a capacitive sensor and there's no getting around that one but their auto drive system is way more intuitive so you don't feel the need to cheat it.
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Interesting. Maybe the HW3 cars are more sensitive with vision tracking? Or it could be that I'm not white and get to take advantage of poor face tracking... 😂

It seems like I can look around and at the screen far longer than others before the car complains.
 
diamond.g said:
Interesting. Maybe the HW3 cars are more sensitive with vision tracking? Or it could be that I'm not white and get to take advantage of poor face tracking... 😂

It seems like I can look around and at the screen far longer than others before the car complains.
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Add one of these to your cabin camera and you'll never need to worry about it again. I can't speak for other manufacturers but the eye tracking in Tesla is absolute garbage.

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Against my better judgement I decided to take the Tesla on my road trip to LA, before I left I used the app to plan the trip, it showed two short stops for charging so I sent to the car. After I left it then showed half a dozen stops, all for short periods of time 5 minutes here, 10 there, etc. None of it makes sense to me.

Then I get to the grapevine and it's closed, I did check last night at Herdfan's recommendation and all was well, but it had snowed and they closed it after I had left. Going around added almost 100 additional miles and 3 hours to the total overall trip because of the heavy traffic as a result of the closure.

Tesla's mapping software was too dumb to know there was a closure and I was unable to plot a different (alternate) course. I tried ABRP but didn't want to to through all the linking up while out on the road, so I just charged it back to 100% and took my chances using Waze but it also allows you to show charging stations on the way, just not as easy.

In the end I really should've taken my wife's car, I really knew better so that's on me. Tesla is just not a good car for road trips, it reminded me of when we had an RV, you really have to plan everything carefully ahead of time.
 
Do you have a CCS adapter in case you have to use another type of charger? I bought the (way expensive) Nissan NACS adapter when it first came out, figuring those plugs will gradually start to displace CCS. Have yet to use it, though.
 
Eric said:
Against my better judgement I decided to take the Tesla on my road trip to LA, before I left I used the app to plan the trip, it showed two short stops for charging so I sent to the car. After I left it then showed half a dozen stops, all for short periods of time 5 minutes here, 10 there, etc. None of it makes sense to me.

Then I get to the grapevine and it's closed, I did check last night at Herdfan's recommendation and all was well, but it had snowed and they closed it after I had left. Going around added almost 100 additional miles and 3 hours to the total overall trip because of the heavy traffic as a result of the closure.

Tesla's mapping software was too dumb to know there was a closure and I was unable to plot a different (alternate) course. I tried ABRP but didn't want to to through all the linking up while out on the road, so I just charged it back to 100% and took my chances using Waze but it also allows you to show charging stations on the way, just not as easy.

In the end I really should've taken my wife's car, I really knew better so that's on me. Tesla is just not a good car for road trips, it reminded me of when we had an RV, you really have to plan everything carefully ahead of time.
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I’ve never taken mine south of Monterey, because who needs the stress of trying to plan out the charging.
 
Eric said:
Against my better judgement I decided to take the Tesla on my road trip to LA, before I left I used the app to plan the trip, it showed two short stops for charging so I sent to the car. After I left it then showed half a dozen stops, all for short periods of time 5 minutes here, 10 there, etc. None of it makes sense to me.

Then I get to the grapevine and it's closed, I did check last night at Herdfan's recommendation and all was well, but it had snowed and they closed it after I had left. Going around added almost 100 additional miles and 3 hours to the total overall trip because of the heavy traffic as a result of the closure.

Tesla's mapping software was too dumb to know there was a closure and I was unable to plot a different (alternate) course. I tried ABRP but didn't want to to through all the linking up while out on the road, so I just charged it back to 100% and took my chances using Waze but it also allows you to show charging stations on the way, just not as easy.

In the end I really should've taken my wife's car, I really knew better so that's on me. Tesla is just not a good car for road trips, it reminded me of when we had an RV, you really have to plan everything carefully ahead of time.
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I'd argue that you should just say EVs aren't good cars for road trips.
 
diamond.g said:
I'd argue that you should just say EVs aren't good cars for road trips.
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After this trip I agree. It feels like I spent as much time charging as I did driving, in LA for most of the day the stations were all full and cars were queued up waiting for openings. The infrastructure there isn't nearly able to handle the capacity of cars they have, they also all showed "would you like to try to find a less busy location?" I would then have to hunt for another one, not knowing if it was full or not, then it would warn me about the new one after I chose it and changed directions.

I had somewhere to be within 2 hours and it simply wasn't possible to charge and make the location so I gave up on it, waited until early the next morning and found one out of town. It's enough to make me go back to a ICE, fortunately my wife has one and that will be the only one we take going forward.
 
Eric said:
After this trip I agree. It feels like I spent as much time charging as I did driving, in LA for most of the day the stations were all full and cars were queued up waiting for openings. The infrastructure there isn't nearly able to handle the capacity of cars they have, they also all showed "would you like to try to find a less busy location?" I would then have to hunt for another one, not knowing if it was full or not, then it would warn me about the new one after I chose it and changed directions.

I had somewhere to be within 2 hours and it simply wasn't possible to charge and make the location so I gave up on it, waited until early the next morning and found one out of town. It's enough to make me go back to a ICE, fortunately my wife has one and that will be the only one we take going forward.
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Sounds stressful. I'm not sure I'd recommend EV's to folks that have strict time tables like that. Hybrid would be the way to go, I'm not 100% sold on PHEV's since you still have to charge them.
 
diamond.g said:
Sounds stressful. I'm not sure I'd recommend EV's to folks that have strict time tables like that. Hybrid would be the way to go, I'm not 100% sold on PHEV's since you still have to charge them.
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Looking for a new car, which would be used for general getting around locally, and multiple long distance road trips, I'm starting to reconsider my options (originally wanting an EV).

My wife's had a Toyota hybrid for a year and a half and has worked out great. I'm now leaning in that direction for my next ride.
 
diamond.g said:
Sounds stressful. I'm not sure I'd recommend EV's to folks that have strict time tables like that. Hybrid would be the way to go, I'm not 100% sold on PHEV's since you still have to charge them.
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Well, I've had the car for 2 years so I'm pretty aware of it's capabilities, what I wasn't prepared for was the actual lack of infrastructure on a road trip. Even if you never leave the city of LA and don't have a personal home charging solution you'll be spending a chunk of your life dealing with charging.

As for where I live in the Bay Area it's a perfect solution, home charging with plenty of available chargers in the area should you need it.
 
Citysnaps said:
Looking for a new car, which would be used for general getting around locally, and multiple long distance road trips, I'm starting to reconsider my options (originally wanting an EV).

My wife's had a Toyota hybrid for a year and a half and has worked out great. I'm now leaning in that direction for my next ride.
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Yeah I'm with you on this one, we're lucky that we still have my wife's ICE vehicle and will use that for roadtrips going forward. Typically I do anyway but thought I had it good plan for the Tesla and charging but was way off the mark. Good lesson though, it'll never happen again lol.
 
diamond.g said:
I'm not 100% sold on PHEV's since you still have to charge them.
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Depends on your circumstances, like having a charger at home.
I got a 2019 Honda Clarity PHEV, and it's been great. It provides 45 miles ICE-free range. Low maintenance, and I average about 4 tank fulls / year.
(Not counting road trips out of state, that obviously lack any range anxiety).
 
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