Georgia Senate race cliffhanger

I’m delighted about Warnock and trying not to get too far ahead of myself about Ossoff. Fingers and toes crossed, but

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MarkusL said:
Yes, PRSI will be legendary today. But the congress spectacle may be interesting too.
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Normally I'm for a balance of power in the House and Senate but after the way they've blown up this country handing the keys of the whole thing over to Democrats is the only way we're ever going to get through this. Struggling people need that stimulus, not huge corporations and the rich. We also need a comprehensive rollout and distribution of the vaccine on a federal level, something they haven't and never would've never done.

Sorry Republicans, you've fucked up royally and it's time the people were represented by their government.
 
ericgtr12 said:
Normally I'm for a balance of power in the House and Senate but after the way they've blown up this country handing the keys of the whole thing over to Democrats is the only way we're ever going to get through this. Struggling people need that stimulus, not huge corporations and the rich. We also need a comprehensive rollout and distribution of the vaccine on a federal level, something they haven't and never would've never done.

Sorry Republicans, you've fucked up royally and it's time the people were represented by their government.
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Agree 100%. I too prefer balance of power normally, but the same idea imploded on the GOP that has been my primary problem with them: They sacrificed long-term prosperity for quick transient results. Political climate change came a little earlier though.
 
P_X said:
Agree 100%. I too prefer balance of power normally, but the same idea imploded on the GOP that has been my primary problem with them: They sacrificed long-term prosperity for quick transient results. Political climate change came a little earlier though.
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And we've payed a hefty price for it. In four more years things will likely balance themselves out again but hopefully Democrats will have righted the ship enough to stave off hundreds of thousands of more deaths by then. I'm no historian but it's hard to imagine there's ever been a more epic failure by a political party.
 
ericgtr12 said:
And we've payed a hefty price for it. In four more years things will likely balance themselves out again but hopefully Democrats will have righted the ship enough to stave off hundreds of thousands of more deaths by then. I'm no historian but it's hard to imagine there's ever been a more epic failure by a political party.
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Honestly, what I'd expect from mature politicians is a week after the election they sit down, and TOGETHER strategize the vaccination campaign... That's what real patriots would do. Biden will have an inertia. I think public health experts are doing their best to organize the campagin, but there are just situations where the presidential pull could make a night and day difference.
 
P_X said:
Honestly, what I'd expect from mature politicians is a week after the election they sit down, and TOGETHER strategize the vaccination campaign... That's what real patriots would do. Biden will have an inertia. I think public health experts are doing their best to organize the campagin, but there are just situations where the presidential pull could make a night and day difference.
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I couldn't agree more and I'm also hoping Republicans come to the table, I think we would all benefit as a result. What's sad is losing it all would be the only thing that would put them in a position to help the American people, who they've failed 100% over the last 4 years while in power.
 
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ericgtr12 said:
Normally I'm for a balance of power in the House and Senate but after the way they've blown up this country handing the keys of the whole thing over to Democrats is the only way we're ever going to get through this.
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Balances of power are for political bodies that are comprised of individuals who exercise individual thought, allowing them to cross lines, work together and reach compromises for the betterment of the people...not parties that vote as a solid bloc for the purpose of killing each others’ legislation.
 
ericgtr12 said:
Normally I'm for a balance of power in the House and Senate but after the way they've blown up this country handing the keys of the whole thing over to Democrats is the only way we're ever going to get through this. Struggling people need that stimulus, not huge corporations and the rich. We also need a comprehensive rollout and distribution of the vaccine on a federal level, something they haven't and never would've never done.

Sorry Republicans, you've fucked up royally and it's time the people were represented by their government.
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When has the GOP not fucked up this country? I've been on this Earth 53 years and EVERY time they got in power, they fucked everything up.
 
The sign language interpreter for the GA official is like watching Tom Cruise freaking out on the couch, it's sort of comical but also really distracting.
 
leekohler2 said:
When has the GOP not fucked up this country? I've been on this Earth 53 years and EVERY time they got in power, they fucked everything up.
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They can't help themselves. It's part of the macro side of Jeremy Irons' character's admission of exactly that in Margin Call where even as he spews off the dates of all the historically huge market crashes, he is trying to convince Kevin Spacey's character to stick with him for 24 months so they can rebuild the firm and go again because... well because that's what they do. It's the Frog Scorpion Lake scenario.
 
leekohler2 said:
When has the GOP not fucked up this country? I've been on this Earth 53 years and EVERY time they got in power, they fucked everything up.
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In general, I agree with you, but I am struck by the almost pure malevolent nihilism of their destructive (of democracy and everything else) tendencies at the moment.

The loathsome Mr Trump not conceding the election, the mendacious claims of fraud, the ludicrous lawsuits, the threatening phone cals, the challenging of the formal acceptance of the electoral college votes today in the Houses of Congress, - all this adds up to something I have never seen - and never expected to see - in a western democracy in my life time.

An aside, donning my hat as an election specialist: As an (experienced) international election observer, I have not just observed, monitored, and reported on elections, on occasion (with a different mandate, a supervisor's mandate, which meant that I had executive authority and had to sign off on everything), in conjunction with the relevant local electoral authorities, I have also helped to run elections (in both Bosnia and Kosovo, after the wars in those countries).

To "locate" a handful of votes (in an electorate of - let us say, around 100,000, or 250,000) is incredibly difficult, - actually, pretty much impossible - as it is to overturn a lead of fewer than ten or twenty votes, if the votes were correctly counted, tallied, enumerated and recorded in the first place.

To hope to - or want to - or demand to - locate 11,000 plus votes, or ballots, is utterly delusional, completely deranged, politicaly illiterate, and - in my experience - physically impossible. Actually, it is insane, utterly unhinged, to think that you could do so in a properly run - law-based - electoral system.

In one election in the winter of 1997, (where I had executive authority), in one of the most contentious and controversial regions of Bosnia, a city notorious for "ethnic cleansing" and war crimes, a place where I had an executive mandate in a cluster of the most contentious polling stations in that entire region (because they were the only polling stations in that region where returnees - people who would have been burned out during the war, people of a different ethnicity - or different ethnicities - to that of the majority of the population in the city - were allowed to return to cast a vote), a place with tens of thousands of ballots to count, at the reconciliation (of the paperwork) we were out by two votes (a fact which had no influence, or relevance, material or otherwise, on the actual electoral outcome, rather, it was for the precise purposes of reconciliation of the numbers of ballots issued with the numbers counted); a meticulous recount failed to find the missing two votes, and we had to accept that we could not account for them.

I've known of elections for seats in the European Parliament, where - out of an electorate of around 300,000, - fewer than ten votes separated the last two candidates for the final seat; re-counts failed to over-turn that result.

The fact that some in that awful party aren't distancing themselves from Mr Trump's insane - and illegal - actions, speaks volumes about their fitness for office.
 
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ericgtr12 said:
I hate that I'm agreeing with Mitch McConnell right now but it was nice to see him take a stand.
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Would he do so if the GA races turned out differently? He is Machiavellian in his actions; he might see this as a way to ingratiate himself to the Democrats now that he’s in the minority.
 

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