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[Citysnaps]

I really should have read up on the current model before buying it but never in a million years would've guessed something that expensive wouldn't have the basic HDR functionality that most monitors at less than half that price do. It's like they figure the name "Apple" will be good enough for some reason, really disappointed in this one.

I suspect it has more to do with the Studio Display being introduced in 2021/2022. Back then there were some HDR displays, but apparently the quality was not up to par and didn't offer true HDR performance. Or they drifted a lot and required frequent calibration (like my LG) causing wasted first prints (and ink) and frustration. That's where the Studio Display shines. It hasn't drifted at all in 2-3 years of daily use, with prints always being what I see on the display.

 

[Eric]

I suspect it has more to do with the Studio Display being introduced in 2021/2022. Back then there were some HDR displays, but apparently the quality was not up to par and didn't offer true HDR performance. Or they drifted a lot and required frequent calibration (like my LG) causing wasted first prints (and ink) and frustration. That's where the Studio Display shines. It hasn't drifted at all in 2-3 years of daily use, with prints always being what I see on the display.

For that use case I'm sure it's solid and I don't live in the HDR workspace anyway but when I need to edit for it I just go into the settings and turn it on, do my work and then go back. After post I always do some tweaking on the iPhone for ProRes as well so it can be bit off on the normal color profile, I have never really messed with it.

 

[Citysnaps]

For that use case I'm sure it's solid and I don't live in the HDR workspace anyway but when I need to edit for it I just go into the settings and turn it on, do my work and then go back. After post I always do some tweaking on the iPhone for ProRes as well so it can be bit off on the normal color profile, I have never really messed with it.

According to the other place... on March 8, along with other products, Apple will announce an updated Studio Display sporting mini-LED backlighting, HDR, 90/120 Hz refresh, and an A19 chip.

 

[Cmaier]

According to the other place... on March 8, along with other products, Apple will announce an updated Studio Display sporting mini-LED backlighting, HDR, 90/120 Hz refresh, and an A19 chip.

mini-LED? I am surprised they haven’t given up on it, since they’ve given up on it for everything else now.

 

[Citysnaps]

mini-LED? I am surprised they haven’t given up on it, since they’ve given up on it for everything else now.

I'm wondering how far Apple is along with their 20 stops of dynamic range image sensor that was revealed in a patent last year. That would seem to *possibly* dovetail with the next Studio Display handling HDR. And wondering If that's being targeted to a future iPhone - or something else. Way back, before iPhone, Apple did make a camera called QuickTake, which flopped.

 

[Nycturne]

I'm wondering how far Apple is along with their 20 stops of dynamic range image sensor that was revealed in a patent last year. That would seem to *possibly* dovetail with the next Studio Display handling HDR. And wondering If that's being targeted to a future iPhone - or something else. Way back, before iPhone, Apple did make a camera called QuickTake, which flopped.

Even my current Sony mirrorless can do 15 stops, while SDR caps at around 6 stops. The iPhone has been in the teens for a while too, IIRC. So it's been beneficial for quite a while to have HDR if you want to display the whole range of photos without compressing them to SDR in an editor.

20 stops needs static 1 million : 1 contrast ratios to be fully realized. Even going with OLED, a 32" 4K display with enough nits to start to qualify is still relatively pricy (1700$ for the ASUS ProArt). Apple would want a 5K display in this range, so I would expect such a beast to still be over 2000 dollars. But I just don't see why Apple would tie one to the other. The benefit already exists with hardware they've been shipping for years. Smaller orgs that want to do HDR video, but aren't going to shell out for the XDR, also exist.

 

[Citysnaps]

But I just don't see why Apple would tie one to the other.

Assuming sensor chip development goes smoothly, I'm guessing Apple would eventually want to put their 20 stop image sensor in an iPhone. Even though the average iPhone user would likely not understand what that means, or take advantage of it. But, I suspect there would be enough interest with serious photographers who currently own iPhones who would like such an iPhone with a much better sensor. For example, though I have two Sony mirrorless cams, I still make a lot of photos with my iPhone (because it's always with me).

But... to take advantage of of the increased dynamic range, one would need a really excellent display. Since the soon to be released updated Studio Display will apparently now incorporate HDR, I would imagine Apple would likely want it to faithfully handle what their new image sensor produces. And would not want other display competitors with decent/better HDR to siphon of Studio Display sales.

Yeah... such a display would be pricey. But if Apple were to release an iPhone with a 20 stop sensor, and an HDR+ Studio Display, I would likely purchase both (especially if it were 32") and had excellent color stability. Even though my current Studio Display works great for my photography. As I mentioned in a previous post, not having to recalibate it periodically futzing with a puck calibrator (like I had to do with my previous display) is golden.

 

[Cmaier]

Assuming sensor chip development goes smoothly, I'm guessing Apple would eventually want to put their 20 stop image sensor in an iPhone. Even though the average iPhone user would likely not understand what that means, or take advantage of it. But, I suspect there would be enough interest with serious photographers who currently own iPhones who would like such an iPhone with a much better sensor. For example, though I have two Sony mirrorless cams, I still make a lot of photos with my iPhone (because it's always with me).

But... to take advantage of of the increased dynamic range, one would need a really excellent display. Since the soon to be released updated Studio Display will apparently now incorporate HDR, I would imagine Apple would likely want it to faithfully handle what their new image sensor produces. And would not want other display competitors with decent/better HDR to siphon of Studio Display sales.

Yeah... such a display would be pricey. But if Apple were to release an iPhone with a 20 stop sensor, and an HDR+ Studio Display, I would likely purchase both (especially if it were 32") and had excellent color stability. Even though my current Studio Display works great for my photography. As I mentioned in a previous post, not having to recalibate it periodically futzing with a puck calibrator (like I had to do with my previous display) is golden.

I would assume the primary purpose of that dynamic range in an iphone sensor is the same as it is for most cameras - not to produce HDR content, but to provide flexibility in post-processing. One wouldn’t need a monitor with the full range in that case.

 

[Nycturne]

But... to take advantage of of the increased dynamic range, one would need a really excellent display. Since the soon to be released updated Studio Display will apparently now incorporate HDR, I would imagine Apple would likely want it to faithfully handle what their new image sensor produces. And would not want other display competitors with decent/better HDR to siphon of Studio Display sales.

I think my point is that we're already able to produce stuff with 8-10 stops extra dynamic range compared to the SDR monitors available, more than double the stops of an SDR display. So there's already plenty of reason to consider HDR displays if it's for photography.

Yeah... such a display would be pricey. But if Apple were to release an iPhone with a 20 stop sensor, and an HDR+ Studio Display, I would likely purchase both (especially if it were 32") and had excellent color stability. Even though my current Studio Display works great for my photography. As I mentioned in a previous post, not having to recalibate it periodically futzing with a puck calibrator (like I had to do with my previous display) is golden.

I see the point of the display, but I just don't see why Apple would need to tie these two together. It would come across more like spite to me to wait to tie the two products together like that.

I'd love a good, creative focused monitor from Apple, that is something a bit more modern than the XDR display and HDR capable. But it seems more an issue with current display tech and pricing (with Apple's desired margins) than anything else. But since I can get a 1000 nit QD-OLED with a Thunderbolt hub built into it today, it might be close. Not sure they are able to hit 5K at 27" to keep Apple happy though.

I would assume the primary purpose of that dynamic range in an iphone sensor is the same as it is for most cameras - not to produce HDR content, but to provide flexibility in post-processing. One wouldn’t need a monitor with the full range in that case.

Not to mention having more flexibility in exposure times without blowing out highlights/etc.

 

[Cmaier]

Not to mention having more flexibility in exposure times without blowing out highlights/etc.

Absolutely. And given Apple’s computational photography, it’s likely that the phone will be able to do a much better job of producing a well-exposed photo if the sensor has improved dynamic range.

 

[RockRock8]

mini-LED? I am surprised they haven’t given up on it, since they’ve given up on it for everything else now.

Tandem OLED at 27" or 32" is way too expensive at the moment I think. Especially the way Apple does it with Fine Metal Masking plus full RGB tandem

 

[leman]

mini-LED? I am surprised they haven’t given up on it, since they’ve given up on it for everything else now.

MacBook Pros are still mini-LED, no? As @RockRock8 said, while tandem OLED is amazing, it will take a while for it to become economically feasible for large display sizes.

 

[Cmaier]

MacBook Pros are still mini-LED, no? As @RockRock8 said, while tandem OLED is amazing, it will take a while for it to become economically feasible for large display sizes.

All rumors point to an update later this year with major form factor changes to MBP, and OLED.

 

[cbum]

update later this year with major form factor changes to MBP,

I thought the new MBPs were due out in a couple of weeks?

 

[Cmaier]

I thought the new MBPs were due out in a couple of weeks?

those are just spec bumps. Everyone is really waiting for the new models rumored to come later this year. Supposedly a bit thinner, OLED, built-in cellular, and who knows whaat else.

 

[cbum]

"just" ...
OLED ... SCHMOLED.

I'll take the M5 max, thank you!