How can there not be a COVID-19 thread?

Isn't that ignoring the obvious issue?

The photo is Texas democrats on a PRIVATE CHARTED plane. Mask are NOT required according to federal pandemic guidelines, and they are vaccinated.

What exactly is the hypocrisy or issue you're reaching for?
The sad thing is, instead of ”neener neener Democrats caught COVID” we could discuss the fact that the vaccine is the best protection we have, but nothing is 100%


From another article:

Public health officials have said breakthrough infections were expected, since manufacturers have warned loudly and often that the vaccines are not 100% protective. The Pfizer and Moderna versions have consistently been shown to be above 90% effective, most recently for at least six months. Studies have also shown they are nearly 100% effective at ensuring that the small fraction of vaccinated patients who do contract the virus will not get severe cases or require hospitalization.

So it sounds like the people who tested positive despite getting the vaccine have a pretty good chance of avoiding serious symptoms.
 
Three of them tested positive after being in an enclosed aluminum tube for several hours and then going about meeting with multiple people in DC.
So the contagious/incubation period is now only several hours? If they caught Covid from that flight, they would not test positive for a week. Maybe more. Sounds like their exposure came well before their flight to DC.
 
So the contagious/incubation period is now only several hours? If they caught Covid from that flight, they would not test positive for a week. Maybe more. Sounds like their exposure came well before their flight to DC.
Now why do you have to go and bring science into this discussion?
 
The people on the photo to the right should’ve gone by private plane too!

Doesn't matter. Charter flights are covered under the CDC rule.





So unless there has been guidance removing this requirement, they are breaking the law. I would think that if the rule had been withdrawn, these charter companies would not still have that page up, but I could be wrong. I did look for any evidence of its withdrawal and couldn't find any.
 
So the contagious/incubation period is now only several hours? If they caught Covid from that flight, they would not test positive for a week. Maybe more. Sounds like their exposure came well before their flight to DC.

But is that better? All that means is that they were probably MORE contagious while on the plane and in their meetings around DC.

Science sucks sometimes.
 
Not to make light of a serious issue but this made me laugh out loud.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1416927410801594368/

Does anyone who has actually seen the needle they use for the shot still believe this? It is such a fine gauge needle there is no way we have microchips small enough to pass through it. It's not like they use a horse needle.

On a side note: Two more on the plane have tested positive. And they all met in person with the Vice President. :oops:
 
Does anyone who has actually seen the needle they use for the shot still believe this? It is such a fine gauge needle there is no way we have microchips small enough to pass through it. It's not like they use a horse needle.

On a side note: Two more on the plane have tested positive. And they all met in person with the Vice President. :oops:
Shouldn't matter if she is fully vaccinated, worse case is she gets a little sick but it's also a lesson that this thing is nowhere near over. Anytime I go into a public setting I still wear a mask and socially distance when possible no matter what the CDC or anyone else says, we have to have some personal responsibility in all of this.

We also have unvaccinated friends that we refuse to hang out with, I don't even want to get a mild version of this thing, who would when you can take measures to prevent it?
 
Shouldn't matter if she is fully vaccinated,
No it shouldn't but supposedly all 60 on the plane were fully vaccinated but so far 5 of the 60 have tested positive.

I have to wonder if they all had the same vaccine or if it is a combination of different ones. Also, they haven't said if it is the Delta or not.
 
Does anyone who has actually seen the needle they use for the shot still believe this? It is such a fine gauge needle there is no way we have microchips small enough to pass through it. It's not like they use a horse needle.

On a side note: Two more on the plane have tested positive. And they all met in person with the Vice President. :oops:
Counter point:

- has anyone who believes global warming/climate change is a myth, experienced weather in the last, let's say 5 years?

- has anyone who believes Obama is a Muslim seen him praying at a Mosque, or refusing to eat Bacon, or what have you?

- has anyone who believes More Guns is the solution to Gun Violence ever seen a country with working gun control?

- has anyone who believes a foetus is a 'person' from the moment of conception ever seen what exactly that 'person' is?

- has anyone who believes Reaganomics (trickle down economics) works ever seen what it's like for the people at the bottom?


Or, to sum it up in one point: has anyone who believes 90% of Republican/Right wing talking points, ever considered the reality of the topic at hand, for even a moment?
 
Counter point:

- has anyone who believes global warming/climate change is a myth, experienced weather in the last, let's say 5 years?

- has anyone who believes Obama is a Muslim seen him praying at a Mosque, or refusing to eat Bacon, or what have you?

- has anyone who believes More Guns is the solution to Gun Violence ever seen a country with working gun control?

- has anyone who believes a foetus is a 'person' from the moment of conception ever seen what exactly that 'person' is?

- has anyone who believes Reaganomics (trickle down economics) works ever seen what it's like for the people at the bottom?


Or, to sum it up in one point: has anyone who believes 90% of Republican/Right wing talking points, ever considered the reality of the topic at hand, for even a moment?
To followup on this. I'm not trying to just "republicans bad" you.

I'm trying to highlight that believing shit someone said in spite of how ridiculous it sounds, is a pretty common occurrence in that big tent.

I'm not trying to suggest that "lefties" are immune to this phenomenon, but it definitely seems to be less common for people "on the left" to just believe shit they're told, not just without supporting evidence, but in spite of evidence to the contrary.
 
Counter point:

- has anyone who believes global warming/climate change is a myth, experienced weather in the last, let's say 5 years?

- has anyone who believes Obama is a Muslim seen him praying at a Mosque, or refusing to eat Bacon, or what have you?

- has anyone who believes More Guns is the solution to Gun Violence ever seen a country with working gun control?

- has anyone who believes a foetus is a 'person' from the moment of conception ever seen what exactly that 'person' is?

- has anyone who believes Reaganomics (trickle down economics) works ever seen what it's like for the people at the bottom?


Or, to sum it up in one point: has anyone who believes 90% of Republican/Right wing talking points, ever considered the reality of the topic at hand, for even a moment?
And I'll add that if a plane full of Dems is the first time you've been outraged about COVID spread while you sat silently over the last year as Trump held dozens of indoor rallies without masks while this thing was in full swing, you MIGHT be a partisan Republican.
 
But is that better? All that means is that they were probably MORE contagious while on the plane and in their meetings around DC.

Science sucks sometimes.

No it shouldn't but supposedly all 60 on the plane were fully vaccinated but so far 5 of the 60 have tested positive.

I have to wonder if they all had the same vaccine or if it is a combination of different ones. Also, they haven't said if it is the Delta or not.

CDC guidelines also now tell us that if you’ve been completely vaccinated it’s safe to be with other people who have also been vaccinated. Indoors. (In a car or private plane?)

The vaccine does not prevent Covid. No one ever said it did. What it prevents is the extreme cases whether it’s the original or the Delta variant.
 
I'm not a doctor obviously, but I thought the whole point of vaccination is that it vastly reduces chances of transmission (both to pass it on and to catch it) but that it also massively reduces the chances of hospitalisation, and the need for critical care.

Last year all I heard from certain angles, when it was killing people left right and centre, with no vaccine available was "it's just a flu, it's just a cold".

Now that there's an actual vaccine that (in the case of what Americans are getting at least) seems to be very effective at reducing infections, and preventing the vast number of hospitalisations and deaths, suddenly it's turned to faux outrage because a group of fully vaccinated people met someone else fully vaccinated.
 
CDC guidelines also now tell us that if you’ve been completely vaccinated it’s safe to be with other people who have also been vaccinated. Indoors. (In a car or private plane?)

The vaccine does not prevent Covid. No one ever said it did. What it prevents is the extreme cases whether it’s the original or the Delta variant.

The CDC can say whatever they want, but the Biden admin rule overrides their guidance. And right now the Biden admin is saying masking on charter flights is required.


And I'll add that if a plane full of Dems is the first time you've been outraged about COVID spread while you sat silently over the last year as Trump held dozens of indoor rallies without masks while this thing was in full swing, you MIGHT be a partisan Republican.

I will be completely honest on this. I am more outraged at the idea of the "Rules for thee, but not for me" attitudes of lawmakers on BOTH sides. This one just happens to be Dems behaving badly. I care more about that than them actually not being masked.

And I am surprised at members of this board NOT being outraged over this as over the past year+ the mantra was all about following the rules and being masked and I was a horrible person because I hate masks etc. But I will say one thing, there is not one single time (at least not that I remember) that I failed to wear a mask when or where it was required.


To followup on this. I'm not trying to just "republicans bad" you.

I'm trying to highlight that believing shit someone said in spite of how ridiculous it sounds, is a pretty common occurrence in that big tent.

I'm not trying to suggest that "lefties" are immune to this phenomenon, but it definitely seems to be less common for people "on the left" to just believe shit they're told, not just without supporting evidence, but in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Let me give you a little hint. I am not a registered Republican. In fact, I am registered as a Democrat.

But to answer some of your questions. These are my opinions, so there are no sources.

I don't believe climate change is a "myth", I simply don't think increased taxes are the solution.

I don't believe Obama is Muslim. I believe he could be a Muslim sympathizer.

I believe we need to control the guns in the hands of criminals, not law-abiding citizens. Control those first, then we can talk.

I am not opposed to abortion. I just think you should be able to make that decision within the first trimester. Mid-second at the latest. Just like most of the European countries people like to hold up as examples. Some European countries even have mandatory waiting periods. Abortion should be safe, legal and rare. I do not agree with those who celebrate their abortions.

There has to be be some element of trickle down in any working economic model. If I want to buy a $10M yacht, there are a lot of people who will earn a living from my purchase. If we as a country only bought things we need, our economy would be a mess. Consumption is a driving force in a healthy economy. But like anything, too much will start causing harm.
 
The CDC can say whatever they want, but the Biden admin rule overrides their guidance. And right now the Biden admin is saying masking on charter flights is required.




I will be completely honest on this. I am more outraged at the idea of the "Rules for thee, but not for me" attitudes of lawmakers on BOTH sides. This one just happens to be Dems behaving badly. I care more about that than them actually not being masked.

And I am surprised at members of this board NOT being outraged over this as over the past year+ the mantra was all about following the rules and being masked and I was a horrible person because I hate masks etc. But I will say one thing, there is not one single time (at least not that I remember) that I failed to wear a mask when or where it was required.




Let me give you a little hint. I am not a registered Republican. In fact, I am registered as a Democrat.

But to answer some of your questions. These are my opinions, so there are no sources.

I don't believe climate change is a "myth", I simply don't think increased taxes are the solution.

I don't believe Obama is Muslim. I believe he could be a Muslim sympathizer.

I believe we need to control the guns in the hands of criminals, not law-abiding citizens. Control those first, then we can talk.

I am not opposed to abortion. I just think you should be able to make that decision within the first trimester. Mid-second at the latest. Just like most of the European countries people like to hold up as examples. Some European countries even have mandatory waiting periods. Abortion should be safe, legal and rare. I do not agree with those who celebrate their abortions.

There has to be be some element of trickle down in any working economic model. If I want to buy a $10M yacht, there are a lot of people who will earn a living from my purchase. If we as a country only bought things we need, our economy would be a mess. Consumption is a driving force in a healthy economy. But like anything, too much will start causing harm.
You might want to change your party affiliation. The list above is a great summary of the Republican platform.

Also, what is a “Muslim sympathizer”? Is that a bad thing in your mind? Is this belief based on some evidence?
 
Does anyone who has actually seen the needle they use for the shot still believe this? It is such a fine gauge needle there is no way we have microchips small enough to pass through it. It's not like they use a horse needle.

Who the heck knows WHAT people believe now, considering all the misinformation that's out and about.

On a positive note, the National Science Foundation has made a $1.5 milllion grant for development of a series of in-school lessons about covid_19 that include didactic info on how viruses and vaccines work, some hands-on research, Q&A and mentoring by regional medical school residents and professors. The goal is to separate science from politics without losing a focus on how disparities in people's economic and educational backgrounds can affect how health issues are perceived and resolved.

Anyway it's been taken up in the Rochester (NY) area and got a writeup in the local paper. University of Rochester medical school has provided mentors from resident and teaching staff. I have no doubt some critics will seize on the idea of "social justice" inclusion in the series of lessons as entirely political. So it goes. Meanwhile interest in the series of lessons is picking up anyway and not just in the Rochester area. It beats watching kids and their parents picking up total BS off uninformed or malicious social media.

 
You might want to change your party affiliation. The list above is a great summary of the Republican platform.

Also, what is a “Muslim sympathizer”? Is that a bad thing in your mind? Is this belief based on some evidence?

I do. We switched to Democrat back in 2004 to vote against a particularly bad Democrat candidate for the Supreme Court. His brother was the current AG, like that isn't a conflict. He won the primary but lost to an R in the general. That was the beginning of WV turning from Blue to Red. When we move to AZ I will register as either a Libertarian or Independent.

Just a feeling actually. Like him refusing to use the term "radical Islamic terrorist" or continually referring to ISIS as ISIL when even the liberal media used those terms.
 
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