How can there not be a COVID-19 thread?

Pumbaa said:
Awesome! Wonder what the next excuse will be when “It’S eXpErImEnTaL, NoT aPpRoVeD” won’t work.
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"So you trust the government to tell you something's safe? WHAT ABOUT DDT, HUH? HOW SAFE WAS THAT?"
 
Vaccine demand has quadrupled in Louisiana.

www.nytimes.com

Alarmed Louisiana Residents Turn to Vaccines in ‘Darkest Days’ of Pandemic (Published 2021)

Louisiana is leading the nation in an explosion of new cases. Hospitals are overflowing and admitting more young people than before. But the crisis is also driving some to get vaccinated.
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It seems to me that this is a “shit’s getting real” response from the unvaccinated areas of America. Almost every case of COVID has been to unvaccinated people. Now that the pool of unvaccinated is smaller, it is more likely that people are seeing a friend or relative sick or dying. Only the most extreme people will be able to ignore reality and believe anti-vax lies now.
 
SuperMatt said:
Vaccine demand has quadrupled in Louisiana.

www.nytimes.com

Alarmed Louisiana Residents Turn to Vaccines in ‘Darkest Days’ of Pandemic (Published 2021)

Louisiana is leading the nation in an explosion of new cases. Hospitals are overflowing and admitting more young people than before. But the crisis is also driving some to get vaccinated.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

It seems to me that this is a “shit’s getting real” response from the unvaccinated areas of America. Almost every case of COVID has been to unvaccinated people. Now that the pool of unvaccinated is smaller, it is more likely that people are seeing a friend or relative sick or dying. Only the most extreme people will be able to ignore reality and believe anti-vax lies now.
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They're getting painted into an ever shrinking corner, it's too bad this is what it took for them to understand but at least we're starting to see a real shift here.
 
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...and get a vaccine, even if it kills them NOT getting the shot. 😶
 
SuperMatt said:
Only the most extreme people will be able to ignore reality and believe anti-vax lies now.
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I'm going to push back on this a bit.

Just because someone doesn't trust a vaccine that was developed on a timeline way faster than ever before, doesn't really have anything to do with lies. We don't have any studies determining if there could be any long-term issues simply because there hasn't been enough time to determine that. That is not a lie. That is a fact. And this is coming from someone who is vaccinated and does have some concerns over long-term issues.

Are they big concerns, no. But I have to admit there was a tinge of nervousness when I was getting the jab because there have been issues with a very small minority of people. Could I have been one? Absolutely. But for me, it was worth the risk, at whatever level it is, to be able to go inside mom's assisted living facility to visit her, so the benefit outweighed the risks.

Microchips and controlling people via the vaccine, those are lies. Legitimate concerns over long-term affects are not.
 
Herdfan said:
Just because someone doesn't trust a vaccine that was developed on a timeline way faster than ever before, doesn't really have anything to do with lies. We don't have any studies determining if there could be any long-term issues simply because there hasn't been enough time to determine that.
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This is somewhat of a weak argument IMO. Once again, mRNA is not a new technology. It has been around for years. The chance of some long term affect that hasn't been discovered already is probably extremely low.
 
Herdfan said:
We don't have any studies determining if there could be any long-term issues simply because there hasn't been enough time to determine that. That is not a lie. That is a fact. And this is coming from someone who is vaccinated and does have some concerns over long-term issues.
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Going by the list of ingredients, there's only one long term symptom of the vaccine, and that's an immune response to whatever protein is encoded on the RNA strand. The rest of the vaccine the little globs of fat for housing and delivering said RNA strand, and a solution providing a PH balanced environment to store those globs of fat in over time, all of which are flushed from the body fairly quicklike.

The usual side effects are mostly anaphylactic responses to the ingredients within the vaccine, which you're going to know about fairly quicklike. Basically, if you go a week without any side effects, the likelihood of experiencing anything beyond that are slim to none.
 
Renzatic said:
Going by the list of ingredients, there's only one long term symptom of the vaccine, and that's an immune response to whatever protein is encoded on the RNA strand. The rest of the vaccine the little globs of fat for housing and delivering said RNA strand, and a solution providing a PH balanced environment to store those globs of fat in over time, all of which are flushed from the body fairly quicklike.

The usual side effects are mostly anaphylactic responses to the ingredients within the vaccine, which you're going to know about fairly quicklike. Basically, if you go a week without any side effects, the likelihood of experiencing anything beyond that are slim to none.
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Thank you. The concerns about long-term effects of the vaccine might seem “legitimate” but they are not based on facts. Vaccines have been around for a very long time, and their long-term effects? Well, the eradication of polio from existence could be considered a long-term effect of that vaccine.

Those short-term reactions: that’s why they make you sit down for 30 minutes after the shot before leaving the vaccination site... just in case you get a reaction.
 
Runs For Fun said:
This is somewhat of a weak argument IMO. Once again, mRNA is not a new technology. It has been around for years. The chance of some long term affect that hasn't been discovered already is probably extremely low.
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I agree. It probably is very low. But very low does not equal non-existant. There are some people who have had bad reactions, 30 minute wait or not. That is a concern for some people and has nothing to do with lies. The flu shot has been around for decades and even now, some people (granted very, very few) have serious life changing reactions.

So not a single person on here can declare the COVID vaccines 100% safe. If you think you can, then you are the one lying.

But my overall point is some people have legitimate concerns about how the vaccine will affect them. That is not a lie.
 
Herdfan said:
I agree. It probably is very low. But very low does not equal non-existant. There are some people who have had bad reactions, 30 minute wait or not. That is a concern for some people and has nothing to do with lies. The flu shot has been around for decades and even now, some people (granted very, very few) have serious life changing reactions.
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That's true of any medication. They all have a non-zero chance of killing you dead.

When it comes to medicines in general, nothing is guaranteed 100% effective, nor 100% safe.
 
Renzatic said:
That's true of any medication. They all have a non-zero chance of killing you dead.

When it comes to medicines in general, nothing is guaranteed 100% effective, nor 100% safe.
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Any time you eat anything at a restaurant, you are probably putting yourself at a greater risk than if you took the COVID vaccine. PLUS, taking the vaccine greatly LOWERS the risk of dying from COVID. This reminds me of the seatbelt argument years ago. “I might get stuck in my seatbelt and not able to get out of the car” is certainly a possibility, but the seatbelt so drastically improves your chances of surviving a car crash that your overall risk is much lower when wearing it. Nobody is 100% safe. Getting the vaccine is the lowest-risk option available today.
 
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