Nuvia: don’t hold your breath

Jimmyjames said:
Looks like we have the first X Elite Geekbench score.

Qualcomm CRD - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Qualcomm CRD with a Qualcomm Oryon processor.
browser.geekbench.com

Edit: Actually there’s quite a few scores there now and all the scores over 3000 are on Linux where we know the fans were on full blast.
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That's a good score. It will still be very competitive next year
 
Jimmyjames said:
Who knows what next year will bring? At best we can say it’s fine for this year, depending on the power used to achieve it.
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It's also fine for the PC market next year. Intel won't be close this anytime soon. More like 2025 with Lunar Lake assuming it's actually powerful like X Elite.
 
Geekbench Linux aarch64 (not a supported release, it’s in preview) always reports 1 core/n threads.
Raspberry Pi 4/5, Honeycomb LX2, Graviton instances, Linux VMs on Mac (Parallels/VMWare) etc. doesn’t matter, always reports 1 core.
 
Those recent Geekbench results appear to be the lower clocked 23W TDP SKU (assuming the reported clock speed is correct).

23W = 4GHz 2-core turbo, 3.4GHz all core turbo
80W = 4.3GHz 2-core turbo, 3.8GHz all core turbo

Without knowing what TDP means in this case, we can’t really judge it against the competition.

Core Ultra 9 185H has a maximum turbo power of 115W(!!). The bursty nature of Geekbench means it probably gets through a run before getting throttled back to 65W.
 
Another thing.

There’s something off about Geekbench for Windows aarch64. I don’t know if it’s a Windows issue or a Geekbench issue (different compiler tuning?), but it scores lower than macOS and Linux

Here are some M3 Pro results I took last year
macOS native = 3176 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3472954
Linux aarch64 (VMWare) = 3039 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3480434
Windows aarch64 (VMWare) = 2755 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3479543

IIRC, the early X Elite Windows and Linux results had a similar performance delta
 
Aaronage said:
Another thing.

There’s something off about Geekbench for Windows aarch64. I don’t know if it’s a Windows issue or a Geekbench issue (different compiler tuning?), but it scores lower than macOS and Linux

Here are some M3 Pro results I took last year
macOS native = 3176 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3472954
Linux aarch64 (VMWare) = 3039 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3480434
Windows aarch64 (VMWare) = 2755 points https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3479543

IIRC, the early X Elite Windows and Linux results had a similar performance delta
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Huh I thought they fixed that.
 
Tech sites really go out of their way to give Qualcomm a pass. 1628 is not a respectable number and I doubt it’s even a real number. 2574 is fine, but again, nowhere near where they pretended to be and it is not “pretty close” to 3181. The M3 is 24% faster. Bad journalism.
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Jimmyjames said:
Tech sites really go out of their way to give Qualcomm a pass. 1628 is not a respectable number and I doubt it’s even a real number. 2574 is fine, but again, nowhere near where they pretended to be and it is not “pretty close” to 3181. The M3 is 24% faster. Bad journalism.
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“Which narrowly beats it.”
 
In message #20 on this thread I said “I suspect we will see M1-like performance, for what it’s worth, but in 2023 that may not be good enough.”

Looks like it’s more like M2-like performance in 2024. It’s actually not bad, though I want to see power numbers and more details. But, when the thread was started, we have to remember how these guys were being billed as “apple-killers.”

They may very well be able to beat Apple at some point, but I think it will eventually settle into a leapfrogging situation.
 
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