Oregon looks at going "full Portugal"

Let me say, before getting sidetracked on the Trump yard sign issue...I have no problem with this Oregon ballot measure. I think it needs to be tried.

Renzatic said:
It's weird. I live in the heart of Red Republican Land, yet I've only seen a single Trump-Pence sign in a yard, and a handful of Trump bumper stickers during this run up to the election.
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DT said:
We were talking about this on MR, since trump supporters can't seem to STFU, the omission of trump support (by way of signs and whatnot) is almost a good indicator of a Biden/Harris vote.

Even here, where it was over 60% trump votes in '16, our neighborhood (we rides bikes all the time at night), like about 15 x 5 block grid, there's only like 12-13 houses with trump signs and at least 10 with Biden. given the trump supporter comfort level around here, that's pretty telling.
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Or, to play devil's advocate, it could be an indication that Trumpers are so confident about their chances this fall that they don't feel a need to post signs.

ericgtr12 said:
I don't see how anyone puts that flag out while holding their heads up. I've also noticed that in my area, huge difference between 2016 and now. I see it on trucks but that's as far as they'll take it.
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Oh, I wish I could say that. We're still some 50 days out and they're growing around Ohio like dandelions in the spring. I can't drive down my own street without being sickened by Trump signs and flags. :mad: (Or as I call them, the "I'm with stupid" flags.)

The ones that get me are the houses with an American flag on one side of the garage and a Trump flag on the other. Jesus Christ, people, make up your minds. You can't support both.
 
Thomas Veil said:
Or, to play devil's advocate, it could be an indication that Trumpers are so confident about their chances this fall that they don't feel a need to post signs.
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Oh trust me, that runs through the back of my mind - constantly - I know this isn't a done deal till that last vote is counted in November.

Speaking of: the wife and I are going to vote in person.
 
Thomas Veil said:
The ones that get me are the houses with an American flag on one side of the garage and a Trump flag on the other. Jesus Christ, people, make up your minds. You can't support both.
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The neighbor, gave me a couple of his company T-shirts, this was very early this year, anyway, he said, "New shirts, they've got that trump flag". The flag was the American flag. WTF.
 
DT said:
Oh trust me, that runs through the back of my mind - constantly - I know this isn't a done deal till that last vote is counted in November.

Speaking of: the wife and I are going to vote in person.
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Try voting early if it's available in your state. Less likelihood of long lines.

I took the media's advice and checked online with my local election board, and they did receive my absentee ballot request back in mid-late August. Since it's already in, when I receive and fill out the ballot itself I'm going to drive it in person to the election office. Same for Mrs. Veil.
 
Yoused said:
The Portugal experiment has had some issues. There are efforts underway to make some revisions to the law, some of which sound sort of sensible.
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While adjustments might be needed just like anything else in life, I don't think locking people up for possessing drugs is the right direction to head in while tweaking things. Clearly a fine of up to $100 isn't doing the trick. I'm not sure what it would take to fix things. But I don't think a small fine or jail time are the only two answers available either. As you said, there are some good ideas there. Thankfully, they're not yet called for my help, so I have the luxury of not having any answers. But I do know what feels wrong and I don't think jail time for an addict is how they're going to get their shit together. It's an us solution, not a them solution. It doesn't fix the problem, it just puts the problem behind bars and out of sight.
 
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