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Unfortunately as you stated, how you view yourself is completely separate from where modern US Conservatism resides in the United States. Whatever soul Conservatism had in the 1960s has vanished, now mostly focused on wedge issues, and includes a racist element. My guess is that the latest member of Congress Marjorie Greene is far from the cream of the crop, a conspiracy theorist nut and a closet racist, yet she was deemed as the best from her District. This is where you can question the wisdom of average citizens in 24 States where Republicans control State legislatures.This post by @Scepticalscribe made me think for a bit
I do consider myself a conservative, but I also consider myself quite sane and logical. In the context of US politics my views would be seen as dangerously left liberal. I am all for fiscal responsibility, but at the same time I do understand the impacts of completely ignoring the importance of "social ideas and safety nets" both from a humanitarian and economic points of view. You will often hear people whining about foreign aid, without realising the humanitarian and the economic impacts of not providing aid to third world countries. Is that being a conservative, or just myopic?
I agree that high quality social health care is a must. I believe that it is a woman's right to decide whether she wants to have a child, or not, and "men" have no business in sticking their noses into it, as neither do religious groups. I have no issues with LBGT rights. People should do what they want to do and be able to marry whoever they want, as long as they are not harming others. When it comes to religion, people should be free to worship whatever deity they wish, but they should also be free to not worship any deity and should be free to not be told how to live by some religion's standards.
I believe in lower taxes for individuals, but higher taxes for corporations. I appreciate the fact that "free markets will regulate themselves" is an ignorant fallacy at best. Regulations are necessary to ensure that companies behave themselves and do not take advantage of consumers, or smaller competitors. Without competition the free market dies and the consumer is the victim, e.g. US broadband market. Then there is price fixing / collusion and do not compete agreements, which, in my view, is capitalism gone mad.
I believe that social safety nets such as unemployment benefits are important, however it is also important how they are implemented. There were recent suggestions in the UK press that the government may give £600 to people testing positive for Covid to "help them to self-isolate". I would not be surprised if we see spikes of the infection rates in some economically deprived areas, if such a plan was to come to fruition. I completely agree that people need help during these exceptional times, but how that help is implemented is also important.
I also have a concern about benefit systems that effectively reward people for having children that they cannot afford. I am not saying though that because it's not a perfect system we should scrap the whole thing, but improvements need to be made. I am not a psychologist, but I do wonder about the long term effects to children who grow up in houses where the parents have never worked. Is it a completely alien concept for them to study hard and get a good education to get a good job when they see their parents living ok on benefits and are able to provide them with the electronic gadgets and clothes that they want? I have no good answer to that, which is based on facts, rather than economic prejudice / profiling.
Am I a sane conservative? I don't know. Seems like I am not even a conservative and the sane bit is debatable too.
I also have a concern about benefit systems that effectively reward people for having children that they cannot afford. I am not saying though that because it's not a perfect system we should scrap the whole thing, but improvements need to be made. I am not a psychologist, but I do wonder about the long term effects to children who grow up in houses where the parents have never worked. Is it a completely alien concept for them to study hard and get a good education to get a good job when they see their parents living ok on benefits and are able to provide them with the electronic gadgets and clothes that they want? I have no good answer to that, which is based on facts, rather than economic prejudice / profiling.
Globally there were 1 billion in absolute poverty in 1950 which is (roughly) still the number in absolute poverty now with 6.5 billion being richer.This might seem a little harsh, but I don’t care. I think everybody should be sterilized at birth which can be reversed but only after they prove by some standard they are capable of providing for a child and raising them. Is that punitive against the poor? Probably, but a lot more humane than creating even more poor people, and if we’re going to be honest it seems poor people are way outpacing more financially secure people on the making more people front. Pick any metric you want and I almost guarantee all of them will conclude we don’t need more people on this planet.
Globally there were 1 billion in absolute poverty in 1950 which is (roughly) still the number in absolute poverty now with 6.5 billion being richer.
Only the rich are allowed to reproduce? This should work great in a system that already funnels all the wealth to the top 0.1%. They can continue their oligarchy and prevent the serfs from having kids. I’d say this is a terrible idea, but that would be cruel to the word terrible.This might seem a little harsh, but I don’t care. I think everybody should be sterilized at birth which can be reversed but only after they prove by some standard they are capable of providing for a child and raising them. Is that punitive against the poor? Probably, but a lot more humane than creating even more poor people, and if we’re going to be honest it seems poor people are way outpacing more financially secure people on the making more people front. Pick any metric you want and I almost guarantee all of them will conclude we don’t need more people on this planet.
Only the rich are allowed to reproduce? This should work great in a system that already funnels all the wealth to the top 0.1%. They can continue their oligarchy and prevent the serfs from having kids. I’d say this is a terrible idea, but that would be cruel to the word terrible.
What is the income limit? Who decides who is “fit“ to reproduce?I didn’t say only the rich can have kids. There’s a HUGE area between being rich and “We fucked and oops”.
I would suggest radical changes, such as caps on wealth, and plow the excess back into society, but the issue is lack of popular support, too much Koolaid drinking and the mental control of weak minded, selfish, in many cases racist citizens by savvy con men …
My understanding was that at some point in Europe (forget the country) to get a marriage license, you had to be fiscally able to support a family.This might seem a little harsh, but I don’t care. I think everybody should be sterilized at birth which can be reversed but only after they prove by some standard they are capable of providing for a child and raising them. Is that punitive against the poor? Probably, but a lot more humane than creating even more poor people, and if we’re going to be honest it seems poor people are way outpacing more financially secure people on the making more people front. Pick any metric you want and I almost guarantee all of them will conclude we don’t need more people on this planet.
What is the income limit? Who decides who is “fit“ to reproduce?
Just going to throw this out there, a bill that would make stealing packages three times a felony and something most of us would probably get behind, it's also written by a Republican. If we look we can find common ground.
California lawmaker introduces 'porch piracy' bill to make package theft a felony
Sen. Brian Jones, R-Santee, on Wednesday introduced Senate Bill 358, a measure to increase the penalties on people who steal packages from the porch or entryway of someone's home.www.10news.com
What are the criteria for who is allowed to reproduce in your proposed system?Why does it just come down to income level for you? And even if it does, (going extreme here so don't think I am saying it's the norm) if 2 drug addicted homeless people fucked and produced an offspring you think that's a good thing? and if so, why?
What are the criteria for who is allowed to reproduce in your proposed system?
You mean the right that every single other species on earth has? Making reproduction illegal is just as bad as making it mandatory by banning abortion. It’s unethical and immoral to impose such a decision on others.I don't have a full list or idea of legislature that should be passed, but at minimum an interest and dedication to being a contributing member of society. A knowledge of history and challenges and an idea of how to overcome them when appropriate. On what you might rally against (and I don't understand why) the typical current financial burdens you will have to be responsible for. Again, you don't have to be ultra rich to handle this.
What do you think are the advantages of a system that just allows any 2 people that are attracted to each other to fuck and produce more people is?
You mean the right that every single other species on earth has? Making reproduction illegal is just as bad as making it mandatory by banning abortion. It’s unethical and immoral to impose such a decision on others.
Some people think that illegal immigrants don’t want to be contributing members of society.
Immigration Detention and Coerced Sterilization: History Tragically Repeats Itself | ACLU
The ICE detention story reflects a long pattern in the United States of the coerced sterilization of marginalized populations, particularly of Black, Latinx, and Indigenous peoples.www.aclu.org
I guess you support this? I mean, their idea of what is a “productive member of society” might be different than yours, but it’s the same thing. Just minor details....
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