The End of the USA

People need to stop using "democracy!" as a rallying cry. Right now for half the country democracy is synonymous with screwing them over and for the other half synonymous with not doing a damn thing to protect them. Possibly too many syllables for some, but "representative government" might have a better impact. Clearly the government right now is representing the wealthy, and the wealthier the more representation. Look it like having to change "global warming" to "climate change" in order to get some people to acknowledge what is really going on instead of using snowballs as performative contrarianism.
We are now in a position of being forced to democracy back, and we're going to have to fight for it. The problem with that is you have a bunch of toothless Democrats wagging a finger instead of anyone willing to stick it back to them.

AOC is a good start and I don't care if it's the far left Liberal agenda, this is what it will take. I mean we're talking about a country who elected Trump and it doesn't get much more extremist right wing than that, people want a fighter regardless and we have no representation right now.
 
We are now in a position of being forced to democracy back, and we're going to have to fight for it. The problem with that is you have a bunch of toothless Democrats wagging a finger instead of anyone willing to stick it back to them.

AOC is a good start and I don't care if it's the far left Liberal agenda, this is what it will take. I mean we're talking about a country who elected Trump and it doesn't get much more extremist right wing than that, people want a fighter regardless and we have no representation right now.

We're not going to be able to vote or legislate our way out of this. Congress has been removed from the board and we don't have 2 years to wait. If George Soros raided the government the way Elon has there would have been a SWAT team throwing him and his team in jail within days if not hours where they would rot until trial. Instead, nothing. If there aren't mass protests and strikes within the year then it's done.
 
The most powerful man in IL for four decades was convicted of corruption and it barely breaks the news cycle. The guy who impeached Blago, who got a full pardon and may end up serving in the administration.

Several governors and the longest serving head of any legislative body. And it doesn’t even make the news.
 
Unless and until republicans stand up to call Trump out, nothing will get better. People are exhausted.

I saw a message from a republican member of congress (not my rep, but close by) on Trump giving Blagojevich a pass. Two lines of a tepid disagreement that could have been written by any intern or staffer with a basic comprehension of English. No real pushback at all.

I have a feeling Eric Adam’s’ case being dropped is just a way to bolster Trump’s claim that he is a political witch hunt victim. Steve Bannon pleaded guilty to defrauding MAGA supporters and gets no jail time and no restitution to pay. Wow, what a punishment! Again, your local clerk who makes $40K a year will pay far more and probably serve time if they embezzled a fraction of what he and his cronies did.

Trump is a lifelong fraud and now a felon who’s been punished with a return to the White House and the ability to get all his friends off the hook.

Things may or may not get better, but let’s face it, we only ever had a facade of fairness and equality, and Trump and the GOP have just removed the veneer. The idolized version of America is dead. It was only an idea in the first place, but we’ve gone backwards a lot the last 25 years.
I would have applied a black instead of a red heart to your post if one had been available. The idealized America was a goal to strive for and you’re right that’s dead as a door nail. Civilly and socially we’re headed back to the 50s, the group in charge has no intention of even trying to make things better. Because their base of losers are perceived to be retrograde racist Neanderthals, and that’s where they’ll go if they’re not defeated. This business about removing the history of notable, trail blazing women from federal sites, philosophically is one of the most disgustingly heinous penis events of our lifetimes because somehow they’ve deemed this to be an evil thing, touting women’s achievements. Yes, I said penis. 😐 WHAT THE FUCK. It makes me wanna cry and curse at the same time 🤬

And women are just going to take it? Let the revolution begin for Christ’s sake.
 
People need to stop using "democracy!" as a rallying cry. Right now for half the country democracy is synonymous with screwing them over and for the other half synonymous with not doing a damn thing to protect them. Possibly too many syllables for some, but "representative government" might have a better impact. Clearly the government right now is representing the wealthy, and the wealthier the more representation. Look it like having to change "global warming" to "climate change" in order to get some people to acknowledge what is really going on instead of using snowballs as performative contrarianism.
So what you’re saying is we’re fucked. Not saying you, but if you’re stupid enough to think that autocracy run by white races is going to be better for you as a white peon then you’re an idiot. Sure you might end up being a level three peon instead of a level minus one peon. Actually for some of these MAGOTs, I guess a level three peon sounds pretty good at this point.
Actually, right now I think that democracy when a third don’t participate can suck but the alternative authoritarianism sucks more because the guy in charge most likely is not gonna give a shit about average people. Said as I look east to Russia. Unless the group becomes very proactive very quickly, we are just the glorified sheep waiting for our shearing..
God, this is depressing
 
So what you’re saying is we’re fucked. Not saying you, but if you’re stupid enough to think that autocracy run by white races is going to be better for you as a white peon then you’re an idiot. … Actually, right now I think that democracy when a third don’t participate can suck but the alternative authoritarianism sucks more because the guy in charge most likely is not gonna give a shit
I believe Chewtoy's point was not an indictment of democracy, per se, but suggesting that it is what got us here to begin with, and so, should not be the rallying cry.

Fact is, there are some serious problems with the fundamental concept of democracy, and of democratic-republicanism (a better approximation of the American system). Voting generally devolves to self-interest – what's good for me – which can lead to ill-advised choices, especially in an environment of widespread manipulation, deceit and ignorance. There may be better ways to run a country, but they seem to be difficult implement and sustain, at least for as long as we allow caste hierarchies to persist.

God, this is depressing

Yeah, well, they are counting on that. Get angry, get motivated, get fighting (but never actually go into the fight until you have your anger under control).
 
Yeah, well, they are counting on that. Get angry, get motivated, get fighting (but never actually go into the fight until you have your anger under control).
At some point, if the supposedly good Americans don’t stand up and actually fight (with more than words) than the US will complete its decent into imperialism, likely starting with Greenland… if the US takes Greenland without domestic physical opposition, then the US has become what Germany was under hitler and those who don’t stand up today will be as condemned by history as those who didn’t stand up to hitler were.
 
People need to stop using "democracy!" as a rallying cry. Right now for half the country democracy is synonymous with screwing them over and for the other half synonymous with not doing a damn thing to protect them. Possibly too many syllables for some, but "representative government" might have a better impact. Clearly the government right now is representing the wealthy, and the wealthier the more representation. Look it like having to change "global warming" to "climate change" in order to get some people to acknowledge what is really going on instead of using snowballs as performative contrarianism.

I don’t see how that argument will resonate when the country just elected (for the second time) the man who’s been a poster child for gaudy wealth for four decades, and along with him the world’s richest man who’s personal portfolio benefits from deals with the government he is rallying against.
 
Exactly. Getting people to throw up their hands in disgust and wanting "nothing more to do with this" is right out of the authoritarian playbook.
My blood curdles every time I see Stephen Miller's snarling nazi face.
I remember reading an opinion on the NYT : it was his uncle disavowing him on behalf of his family. I wonder if they have changed opinion...
 
I don’t see how that argument will resonate when the country just elected (for the second time) the man who’s been a poster child for gaudy wealth for four decades, and along with him the world’s richest man who’s personal portfolio benefits from deals with the government he is rallying against.

It's going to resonate when "I didn't think it would impact me "starts impacting them. Many people who voted for Trump aren't MAGA and were just disappointed with Biden or had some pet issue. I'm shocked that I'm just learning how many people I personally know have no clue what has been or is going on right now. Just this weekend I found out my parent's friend and neighbor, a conservative, has absolutely no knowledge of Jan. 6. In her mid 70's she's still riding on Reagan era welfare queen propaganda.
 
I believe Chewtoy's point was not an indictment of democracy, per se, but suggesting that it is what got us here to begin with, and so, should not be the rallying cry.

Fact is, there are some serious problems with the fundamental concept of democracy, and of democratic-republicanism (a better approximation of the American system). Voting generally devolves to self-interest – what's good for me – which can lead to ill-advised choices, especially in an environment of widespread manipulation, deceit and ignorance. There may be better ways to run a country, but they seem to be difficult implement and sustain, at least for as long as we allow caste hierarchies to persist.



Yeah, well, they are counting on that. Get angry, get motivated, get fighting (but never actually go into the fight until you have your anger under control).
The problem is democracy, if the populace is lazy that is, or if it does not serve enough of them well.
This probably sounds like a lecture, but I don’t intend it as such.
Trump is where he is because of the self destructive nature of Capitalism, racism, and xenophobia. The mother of all storms. Post WWII the US developed and had the largest, wealthiest, middle class in the world. That’s because this was the land of plenty, Europe was in shambles, times were good. I acknowledge they weren’t wonderful for African-Americans but I’m focused on why Trump was able to get 70 million votes.

Ever since then, the middle class has chipped away by capitalism. The first company that moved its manufacturing east signaled the beginning of the end. To stay competitive the rest of them had to to follow suit, and it’s been downhill ever since for workers.

The goal is profits, in the 80s it became max profits, and there was zero concern from corporate America about the overall health and stability of our society. And because this pressure was applied to the middle class because of capitalism, immigrants became targets in the competition for jobs. Throw in some racism, xenophobia, religious fervor, and intolerance, and we find ourselves where we are today.

And don’t you know the goal of capitalism is to get rid of workers via automation and now AI? Workers are a pain in the arse, they have expectations, they want time off and to be happy. Machines and soon AI workers will be there 24 seven no complaints. The heads of corporations either don’t think about it, or they feel trapped by it. Gotta have profits. What can we monetize? Everything.

If you look at Trump supporters, they’re mostly white and they feel like they’ve lost something, something has been stolen from them, their’re struggling. Why it’s gotta be immigrant stealing my job. Wrong it’s capitalism robbing you blind and you’re just too stupid to see the forest for the trees. Their perception is giving stuff to minorities takes away from me. NO, it’s capitalism taking away from you. And frankly, it’s unbelievable that such a large group of people would support a known mentally ill criminal, because he’s white and I don’t like all the shirt they’re pushing on me about being tolerant, because the bottom line is it hurts, my wallet

If they live in reality, they know he’s a crook. If they live in their fantasy, he really cares about them. In any case the “system” is not working for them, and they choose to vest themselves in a con artist who’s either lying to them or he’s going to tear the system down, and they hope when the dust settles they’ll be in a better place than they are now. Somehow their calculation does not include things becoming God awful as lawfulness is extinguished replaced by chaos, warlords, and/or oppression.

White privilege plays a part.. Somehow they think by virtue of Trump and themselves being white, they’ll end up being a L3 peon instead of a L-1 peon, in other words in the new order they’ll be favorite status, the King’s favorite color.

I finally get to democracy. The saddest aspect of this scenario is that 20% of the country voted for a positive agenda, 20% of the country voted to tear down the federal government and turn it into some kind of chaos or a monarchy, whether they were smart enough to know that or not remains to be seen. And the rest, those old enough to vote, sat out the election, based on some excuse, I don’t care, to much of an inconvenience, I’m mad about Gaza, my vote doesn’t count anyway, whatever. The fact is democracy is fragile and if enough don’t participate, it’s gonna fail, which it’s doing and things are gonna get pretty shirtty around here
 
I believe Chewtoy's point was not an indictment of democracy, per se, but suggesting that it is what got us here to begin with, and so, should not be the rallying cry.

Fact is, there are some serious problems with the fundamental concept of democracy, and of democratic-republicanism (a better approximation of the American system). Voting generally devolves to self-interest – what's good for me – which can lead to ill-advised choices, especially in an environment of widespread manipulation, deceit and ignorance. There may be better ways to run a country, but they seem to be difficult implement and sustain, at least for as long as we allow caste hierarchies to persist.



Yeah, well, they are counting on that. Get angry, get motivated, get fighting (but never actually go into the fight until you have your anger under control).

We're witnessing an extreme example of how democracy is incompatible with unchecked capitalism and the most dire reason billionaires shouldn't exist. It's not just because that means less money for the rest of us. Musk is going to cause endless suffering for millions in an attempt to be the world's first trillionaire and as his wealth declines due to public protests and boycotts he'll just ratchet up the suffering as long as he remains in a position to do so.

Trump could greatly improve his approval by kicking Musk to the curb, but he won't do that because he is also a soulless bottomless pit of corruption and Musk is teaching him about new scams and illegal activities to grow his wealth. Nothing matters more than that to Trump and possibly due to mental decline he's not even attempting to hide it.
 
Trump could greatly improve his approval

My impression is that ShitGibbon's current approval/disapproval rating is really close to zero right now, which is at least a dozen percentage points higher than his first term average. Basically every President starts out about ten points higher than their overall average. Getting rid of President Musk could well realize a gain in ShitGibbon's net approval, but it will be a brief bump, and not by very much.

If he is still in office by the end of '25, I predict he will be lucky to be pulling -20% — his most effective career move right now would be a dirt nap, and that will only loft CouchFucker above negative territory (in which he currently is) for six-to-ten weeks.
 
My impression is that ShitGibbon's current approval/disapproval rating is really close to zero right now, which is at least a dozen percentage points higher than his first term average. Basically every President starts out about ten points higher than their overall average. Getting rid of President Musk could well realize a gain in ShitGibbon's net approval, but it will be a brief bump, and not by very much.

If he is still in office by the end of '25, I predict he will be lucky to be pulling -20% — his most effective career move right now would be a dirt nap, and that will only loft CouchFucker above negative territory (in which he currently is) for six-to-ten weeks.

Currently sitting at 49%. If he wants a boost he'll need to break more laws and maybe throw in another rape or two.
 
Currently sitting at 49%

Except, it is something like +49 -47, so he is still above even. At least, for the next two weeks or so. That is what the husk of 538 says, anyway. I saw at least one other page that had him around -1.
 
Except, it is something like +49 -47, so he is still above even. At least, for the next two weeks or so. That is what the husk of 538 says, anyway. I saw at least one other page that had him around -1.
Well, he's doing exactly what he campaigned on and the people voted for him. They never cared about the price of eggs, they want their president to be a rapey criminal who tells it like it is, so the way I see it is that his numbers will keep climbing.
 


Just facts. We're quickly becoming a non entity on the world stage with Trump accelerating that reality. The only tool left in the shed is violence. The isolationists will say "good" while they learn the hard way on how dominance of the US on globalization has benefitted them.
 
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