California recall election now has 70 people on the ballot

[ronntaylor]

Yes it is.

Impeachment by the California Legislature – California Globe

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Impeachment In California

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And unlike the president, the governor is temporarily relieved of their duties after impeachment and before the decision of conviction or acquittal.



The recall election is utter nonsense.

Doh!! I just remembered reading that a couple months ago during the lead up to the NYS AG report on Cuomo -- figured I read up on how other states deal with impeachment/removal of governors. The GOP in California knows that they'd never be able to remove a Dem guv unless it's via the stupidity of the recall process.

 

[ronntaylor]

I think Newsom will continue as governor for one simple reason. Ballots were mailed to everybody, and they just need to mail them back.

If people actually had to look up what day the election is, and get out of work and vote, they might think “Newsom isn’t the greatest governor of all time, and how bad could the GOP replacement really be? Forget this.” But with the ease of mailing it in, I think Newsom will get enough votes.

Yep. Interest is increasing as we get closer and with Dems focusing resources on the recall, it looks better for Newsome. Still wouldn't discount anything till the last ballot is counted.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Californians deserve the truth about wildfire prevention efforts

Gov. Gavin Newsom has misled Californians about what the state has done to prevent catastrophic wildfires.

calmatters.org

 

[Eric]

Yep. Interest is increasing as we get closer and with Dems focusing resources on the recall, it looks better for Newsome. Still wouldn't discount anything till the last ballot is counted.

Yeah, he's been breaking away in recent polls. I have a feeling all the looney and bizarre Larry Elder ads are only helping with this.

Californians deserve the truth about wildfire prevention efforts

Gov. Gavin Newsom has misled Californians about what the state has done to prevent catastrophic wildfires.

calmatters.org

With no context here we the appearance is you are pushing to vote yes on the recall, if not maybe add a few words with your thoughts.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

With no context here we the appearance is you are pushing to vote yes on the recall, if not maybe add a few words with your thoughts.

I posted the link from my iPhone which is already an acrobatics act. So I didn't expand on it...was planning to.

Just thought it was good to see some info from the conservative side that isn't just "but Covid!!!"

"Capital Public Radio and NPR analyzed the project data and learned Cal Fire actually treated only “11,399 acres, or about 13% of the amount cited by Newsom.”

That's not good and I've said before that people who want the recall should be hammering away at more than just covid, and use actual data.

As we've shown in our recent past we are willing to try a Republican when Davis was recalled, but I think the bigger issue now is who would be replacing Newsom and how they got there. In a way everybody loses, part of the problem with our duopoly system. Democrats will win which they will see as proof we agree with everything they do. Republican contenders will either be Trumpy or seen as such. So sane conservatives don't get a sane candidate who might actually fix some issues and the status quo just perpetuates.

 

[Eric]

Tides have shifted Newsom's way, I maintain Larry Elder is the reason, that guy would scare anyone off their ass into voting against him.

The effort to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom is struggling, new California poll shows

A new poll from the Public Policy Institute of California found that 58% of likely voters surveyed oppose removing Newsom from office compared to 39% who support recalling the governor.

www.latimes.com

 

[ronntaylor]

Tides have shifted Newsom's way, I maintain Larry Elder is the reason, that guy would scare anyone off their ass into voting against him.

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The effort to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom is struggling, new California poll shows

A new poll from the Public Policy Institute of California found that 58% of likely voters surveyed oppose removing Newsom from office compared to 39% who support recalling the governor.

www.latimes.com

I'm surprised the GOP couldn't get a decent candidate involved. All that time, money and effort and it appears to be for naught. They had to know that Elder was not a good choice. If... IF Newsome survives, it'll just invigorate him and Dems. Maybe the GOP thought it would wound him no matter the outcome?

 

[Eric]

I'm surprised the GOP couldn't get a decent candidate involved. All that time, money and effort and it appears to be for naught. They had to know that Elder was not a good choice. If... IF Newsome survives, it'll just invigorate him and Dems. Maybe the GOP thought it would wound him no matter the outcome?

Exactly, the Republican marching orders have been "they should have ran another Democrat just in case" and while there is some validity there, they themselves refused to endorse or put forth anyone with any sort of credibility.

 

[ronntaylor]

Exactly, the Republican marching orders have been "they should have ran another Democrat just in case" and while there is some validity there, they themselves refused to endorse or put forth anyone with any sort of credibility.

Haven't really followed this recall. But I think running a Dem the last time hurt as enough Dem voters thought that well we could replace a Dem with a Dem. This time I think not having a Dem as an option means many/most Dem voters will vote no to Question 1. Smart strategy to inform voters to vote this way to help defeat the GOP's effort to get in via a sham election.

 

[SuperMatt]

Haven't really followed this recall. But I think running a Dem the last time hurt as enough Dem voters thought that well we could replace a Dem with a Dem. This time I think not having a Dem as an option means many/most Dem voters will vote no to Question 1. Smart strategy to inform voters to vote this way to help defeat the GOP's effort to get in via a sham election.

I agree with this. If you have the Dems split between Newsom and another candidate, and every single Republican is a “no” and they all back the same republican candidate, the Dems would probably lose.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

I'm surprised the GOP couldn't get a decent candidate involved.

But should we really be surprised? By most accounts any candidate who isn't Trumpy enough (read: at least 80% insane with plenty examples of -ophobes and -isms under their belt) doesn't have a chance of winning in the current Republican party and that will be decided before it even gets to the general election.

 

[ronntaylor]

But should we really be surprised? By most accounts any candidate who isn't Trumpy enough (read: at least 80% insane with plenty examples of -ophobes and -isms under their belt) doesn't have a chance of winning in the current Republican party and that will be decided before it even gets to the general election.

Yes, but the California GOP should have coalesced around a candidate that could actually win given the recall election vote was allowed. Wasted opportunity. A Mango-like candidate won't work. As we're seeing now. Of course, the Dems are using so many resources and energy, so with ~15 months to go, the CA GOP can gather steam for a so-called moderate to have a decent shot. I don't think Newsome will be hurt enough, but one never knows. COVID-19 makes everything shaky.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Yes, but the California GOP should have coalesced around a candidate that could actually win given the recall election vote was allowed. Wasted opportunity. A Mango-like candidate won't work. As we're seeing now. Of course, the Dems are using so many resources and energy, so with ~15 months to go, the CA GOP can gather steam for a so-called moderate to have a decent shot. I don't think Newsome will be hurt enough, but one never knows. COVID-19 makes everything shaky.

I hear ya, but I honestly don't think the current GOP knows what a sane winning moderate conservative would be. Their entire platform is outrage with no plan. It's like the only thing they have in their adjustable toolbox of strategies is what to be outraged by and at what degree.

 

[Eric]

I hear ya, but I honestly don't think the current GOP knows what a sane winning moderate conservative would be. Their entire platform is outrage with no plan. It's like the only thing they have in their adjustable toolbox of strategies is what to be outraged by and at what degree.

It's a real catch 22 for them, isn't it? CA will require someone sane who they believe in and a nutjob Republican won't cut it here like they would in a southern state, we would need another Arnold Schwarzenegger or Ronald Reagan I think.

 

[JayMysteri0]

Yeah, when I read anything about Elder I cringe, but seeing him here just grabs the "FFS" out of my lungs

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1433941835357982729/

To paraphrase some old friends, "a loon has to got to loon". A word was changed to protect the delicate ears of the non PC.

 

[Eric]

And now this

The man who started the movement to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom has COVID-19

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article254051993.html

 

[Huntn]

They reported on NPR that things were looking up for Newsom in this election. If he survives this they need to change the State constitution.

 

[Eric]

They reported on NPR that things were looking up for Newsom in this election. If he survives this they need to change the State constitution.

It's a terrible law that dates back to 1911 and unless they come together and act it will always be a problem, for either side.

If you don't like the Gavin Newsom recall rules, here's who to blame

'The whole, 'how is this going to work' question wasn’t a big issue for them.'

www.sfgate.com

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However, when California's recall laws were first added to the state constitution in 1911, few were worried about that possibility. The framers of the recall amendments had other concerns.

Joshua Spivak, a senior fellow at Wagner College's Hugh L. Carey Institute for Government Reform and author of "Recall Elections: From Alexander Hamilton to Gavin Newsom," said that the concept of recalling elected officials has existed in the United States since the country's inception.

The original Articles of Confederation (ratified in 1781) contained a recall mechanism, though it was never used. When the Articles of Confederation were scrapped and the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention Convention was held 1787, James Madison's "Virginia Plan" would have allowed for the recall of members of Congress, but this provision never made it into the version of the United States Constitution first ratified in 1789.

"Then about 100 years passed with the idea of recalls going dormant," Spivak said. "The Progressive Era brought it back."

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

California recall shows Republicans will never give up the Big Lie

Fox News and right-wing media are crying fraud in the California recall – even before the results are out

www.salon.com

Rinse. Repeat.

 

[Herdfan]

My only question about mail-in ballots is if they are so simple to use, why do you need ballot harvesting? Are voters too stupid to put it in their own mailbox? Why do people need to go collect them?