Conversation cleary monitored and not sure how

[quarkysg]

And just think of all the conversation they listen to just to sift out keywords for advertising, every word you say is recorded, tagged, and archived.

Just curios. Is your iOS devices' Background App Refresh turned on?

Speech to text conversion should take up some processing power, so it should show up in your iOS device's Battery settings, assuming it is happening on device before uploading the converted text to the cloud. Your device's battery power would have drain quite abnormally if that's the case.

IMHO, I think that regardless of whether you spoke out loud "Portlandia" or not, the fact that it appeared in Netflix suggest that the ad algo used in Netflix targeted your home IP address and Instagram likely uses the same ad algo. The action of you speaking it out probably made it more apparent to you, but I suspect it would have happened regardless of whether your spoke it out loud.

 

[Nycturne]

Just curios. Is your iOS devices' Background App Refresh turned on?

Speech to text conversion should take up some processing power, so it should show up in your iOS device's Battery settings, assuming it is happening on device before uploading the converted text to the cloud. Your device's battery power would have drain quite abnormally if that's the case.

I don’t think this stuff does the STT on the device. It’s not horrific to send heavily compressed audio, like 32kbps mono for this sort of purpose.

 

[quarkysg]

I don’t think this stuff does the STT on the device. It’s not horrific to send heavily compressed audio, like 32kbps mono for this sort of purpose.

Would it be commercially viable to setup a STT server processing millions of uploads? Maybe it does, but it sure seems to me that they sure do go thru a lot of trouble just to sell more ads? Wouldn't this expose them to lots of legal trouble?

Besides, compressing audio also does chew up processing power, so doing so continuously would also drain battery power, and show up in the battery usage stats?

 

[Nycturne]

Would it be commercially viable to setup a STT server processing millions of uploads? Maybe it does, but it sure seems to me that they sure do go thru a lot of trouble just to sell more ads? Wouldn't this expose them to lots of legal trouble?

Besides, compressing audio also does chew up processing power, so doing so continuously would also drain battery power, and show up in the battery usage stats?

Ask Amazon, Google and Apple who all operate large scale STT services that use processing in the cloud of uploaded audio. The whole point of "Hey, Siri" is to find a clear trigger point for uploading a recording. Something like this would also be using local triggers to pick out interesting noises and only submitting that. But considering Google and Facebook are both *ad companies* first and foremost, I’d say owning an ad network and making it more valuable to get better per-impression ad revenue is quite important. I don’t think the difference of raw recording vs transcript really matters here.

Compression of audio can be done with hardware encoders these days, as you need to be able to do it quickly and at low power for things like FaceTime/Zoom/etc. Audio generally should be fairly low power, compared to the sort of things that phones are doing.

All that said, your call here that there’s a lot of data sharing going on, and the ad network itself knows what you have browsed isn’t a bad one. But at the same time, the amount of weird recordings picked up by Alexa et al and sent to these services are concerning enough that I just leave this stuff off as SOP to minimize how much gets out there.

 

[Yoused]

My car keeps asking me if I want to set up Android Auto. Every damn time I start it up. That sound to me like one more spy vector / attack surface, especially the elgoog part. Lamentably, there is no "don't ask again" box on the dialog.

 

[Herdfan]

Not just Facebook.

Yesterday I was sitting around with some co-workers talking about pizza. I mentioned that I really used to like Pizza Hut’s Pepperoni Lover’s (not anymore as PH has gone way downhill)

This morning I had a notification from Door Dash about Pizza Hut’s pepperoni lover’s.

 

[throAU]

No; Like they actually opened "server" ports on localhost (not port 80; I forget which ports) that their Meta Pixel tracking system would send and receive data from on the web to send tracking details from every website you visit to your Meta apps and vice versa; Your Facebook profile details to all websites you visited. Didn't matter if you had all cookies disabled on the web and strong privacy settings enabled. As soon as the report detailing the practice was published they stopped doing it

This is exactly the sort of shit I'm talking about.

Installing social media apps on your phone is like standing in line for cancer. They might need the microphone for video chat, but granting that lets them use it as they see fit.

Don't do it. Use the web version; Apple at least is pretty strict about what a website can do inside of safari.

If you close the tab in safari running their shitty social platform - it's closed.

 

[Katbel]

This is exactly the sort of shit I'm talking about.

Installing social media apps on your phone is like standing in line for cancer. They might need the microphone for video chat, but granting that lets them use it as they see fit.

Don't do it. Use the web version; Apple at least is pretty strict about what a website can do inside of safari.

If you close the tab in safari running their shitty social platform - it's closed.

You are so right! I don’t do Zuckerberg &co. ever
Since a while ago I’m not using any other app when I can use their web version even if I have to go through loops sometimes
And in private mode. and cleaning quite often all the cookies I can in
Safari, Advanced - website data in my devices. I even found that some apps create folders in Files: time to time they go as well . So far Siri is the only one listening but it hasn’t done any extra suggestions…

 

[Eric]

This happened again yesterday, we were in the car and I was talking about how cool this smart air compressor was that so easily filled the tires to the exact specs on my scooter. The only devices listening could've been the BMW, or either of our new iPhones and since my wife got the ad we assume it was hers.

This is what showed up in her Instagram stories this morning. Such an invasion of privacy.

 

[Cmaier]

This happened again yesterday, we were in the car and I was talking about how cool this smart air compressor was that so easily filled the tires to the exact specs on my scooter. The only devices listening could've been the BMW, or either of our new iPhones and since my wife got the ad we assume it was hers.

This is what showed up in her Instagram stories this morning. Such an invasion of privacy.

I highly recommend the UGreen compressor. Bought one for my wife for Christmas and I keep one in my glove box. Works on cars and our e-bikes.

(I, too, invade your privacy, @Eric).

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Tire-Air-Compressors-Inflators/dp/B0BZJ9M8FY

 

[Katbel]

This happened again yesterday, we were in the car and I was talking about how cool this smart air compressor was that so easily filled the tires to the exact specs on my scooter. The only devices listening could've been the BMW, or either of our new iPhones and since my wife got the ad we assume it was hers.

This is what showed up in her Instagram stories this morning. Such an invasion of privacy.

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Do you have the airmoto? No U-green here in Canada

 

[Eric]

We have an outlet that's broken in the garage that my wife and I were discussing on a phone call this afternoon, I just saw an ad for outlet repair on my Instagram. I enabled the mic this morning for a livestream and that was the only thing on my phone. The clearly listened.

It feels like we should have some expectation of a right to privacy and nobody is looking out for us as consumers.

 

[Cmaier]

We have an outlet that's broken in the garage that my wife and I were discussing on a phone call this afternoon, I just saw an ad for outlet repair on my Instagram. I enabled the mic this morning for a livestream and that was the only thing on my phone. The clearly listened.

It feels like we should have some expectation of a right to privacy and nobody is looking out for us as consumers.

There are outlet repair businesses? It’s 3 wires. That’s the real crime here.

 

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[Herdfan]

Ok, this one threw me.

At work, I got an email from our GSM to look for some transport quotes for a truck going to TX. I do not have that email account on my phone, I didn’t discuss it with anyone and only did searches on my work computer. I found a couple of options and sent an email back to my GSM. End of the story, or so I thought.

I get home tonight and open FB and am inundated with auto transport company ads.

There is no cross-pollination with the computer I use at work. In fact, it is a shared laptop with the guy that takes and uploads pics to the website.

I was alone and didn’t talk about it with anyone. So no idea how it ended up in my FB feed.

 

[Cmaier]

Ok, this one threw me.

At work, I got an email from our GSM to look for some transport quotes for a truck going to TX. I do not have that email account on my phone, I didn’t discuss it with anyone and only did searches on my work computer. I found a couple of options and sent an email back to my GSM. End of the story, or so I thought.

I get home tonight and open FB and am inundated with auto transport company ads.

There is no cross-pollination with the computer I use at work. In fact, it is a shared laptop with the guy that takes and uploads pics to the website.

I was alone and didn’t talk about it with anyone. So no idea how it ended up in my FB feed.

If you visit a website on your work computer that you’ve also visited on your home computer, and you have logged into that website on both computers (at any time in the past), and that website uses facebook trackers, then I believe facebook associates the computer with “you” and any time you go to another web page that has a facebook tracker in it, facebook knows.

 

[Eric]

If you visit a website on your work computer that you’ve also visited on your home computer, and you have logged into that website on both computers (at any time in the past), and that website uses facebook trackers, then I believe facebook associates the computer with “you” and any time you go to another web page that has a facebook tracker in it, facebook knows.

@Herdfan do you login into social on your work computer? Most do I suppose ulness it's shared on the workfloor or something.

FB is everywhere watching your every move and listening on every device, they're a very successful and legal trojan horse.

 

[Herdfan]

If you visit a website on your work computer that you’ve also visited on your home computer, and you have logged into that website on both computers (at any time in the past), and that website uses facebook trackers, then I believe facebook associates the computer with “you” and any time you go to another web page that has a facebook tracker in it, facebook knows.

I can't think of anytime I have done that.

@Herdfan do you login into social on your work computer? Most do I suppose ulness it's shared on the workfloor or something.

FB is everywhere watching your every move and listening on every device, they're a very successful and legal trojan horse.

Never. I only use the work computer to clock in/clock out and to send a few emails regarding vehicle transfers. If I want to look at FB etc, I just do it on my phone.

 

[Eric]

I can't think of anytime I have done that.



Never. I only use the work computer to clock in/clock out and to send a few emails regarding vehicle transfers. If I want to look at FB etc, I just do it on my phone.

Yeah man that is odd, especially if you didn't discuss it because that's what usually gets me. I mean nothing was said verbally to anyone about it at all, even in passing?

 

[Herdfan]

I mean nothing was said verbally to anyone about it at all, even in passing?

That is the only thing I can think of. I know I didn't say anything to anyone while I was doing it because I was alone.

But maybe said something later to someone. I don't remember doing it, but it is possible.