Mob storms Capitol

Chew Toy McCoy said:
And what is this "medical emergency" shit? 3 of the 4 people who died there died from a "medical emergency". Were they diabetic and forgot to put Gatorade in their tactical lunch sack? Did they have peanut allergies and the police used usually non lethal peanut bullets? Did they take a shot of bleach and algae remover instead of wearing a mask to help prevent getting covid during the siege? Did they go into septic shock from consuming so much of Trump's bullshit?
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We'll find out eventually. Nothing as dramatic as stepping off a Capitol balcony while not wearing superman cape.
 
DT said:
It would be so easy to manipulate these imbeciles. A little talk of the bible, going back to "old school values", tough guy posturing, calling out the elites - yeah, it's scary that ~70M people willingly lined up to buy snake oil ...
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And that leads to yet another question.

We do need better education in schools, to teach kids civics and how to tell when they are being scammed. We need it at all levels, since indoctrination in fake news can begin even with very young children. It should be part of elementary, middle and high school curricula, since not every child goes on to college.

And even then it might not be enough against the steady drumbeat of fake news. Used to be that rich people got what they wanted by buying our politicians. Now they get it that way, but they turbocharge it by convincing willing dupes, their viewers/readers, that they want it too.

So my question is...is it time to rethink what free speech exactly means? Can we afford to let OAN, Sinclair, Newsmax, Fox, Breitbart, etc., fill people's minds with propaganda masquerading as real news? Is there truly an infinite capacity for that?

I don't pretend to have a good answer, because you always have to watch out for the boomerang factor where it gets turned around and used on you. And you can't just willy-nilly ban organizations.

But there must be some extension of the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" argument that will cover political speech that is intended to incite and disinform instead of elucidate. We've been very patient with destructive speech, always citing the First Amendment. Perhaps we've been too patient.

It can be something as simple as having an independent, non-government organization of journalists evaluate news programs, and anything with a bullshit content above X% gets slapped with a Twitter-like disclaimer which they are required to broadcast often. It may be a maximum limit on how much of the broadcast day can be spent on analysis/opinion. Or it can be a return to the days when stations were required to discuss issues from more than one viewpoint.

And then there's the internet, where shutting down propaganda operations would be like a high-speed version of Whack-A-Mole.

Again, I'm not sure of what if anything can be done. I just don't see how we can keep on filling our neighbors' heads with more and more dreck, letting them live in a bizarro alternate reality, and expect the republic to survive. We keep saying things like "The answer to disinformation is more true information," and convincing ourselves that that is a good answer.

Yeah, it's been working like a charm.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
Whether a President can pardon themself or preemptively pardon people before they’ve been charged with anything is a possible gray area? Are you fucking kidding me? So much for the genius of the founding fathers.
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It is uncharted territory. In the first place, if the pardon covers his time in office (a general pardon), then he is admitting guilt for any thing he might have done. That would call into question anything he has done while in office. Which, of course, would include the pardon. So it is a sort of paradox.

The second thing to consider is that a pardon is a written legal document. He absolutely is incapable of writing the pardon document, just the signature. His staff are generally people who have to consider the future and what they are going to do after this. One of those people has to compose the text of the pardon.

The pardon document will probably comprise several hundred words. He is capable of reading about thirty. If they put it in front of him to sign, he will read most of the first sentence and kind of not even skim the rest. The author of the pardon might well write it in a way that does not exactly comport with what he is hoping for. It could contain legalese that negates the effect, and he would never realize it until they start coming after him.

Because we know what "loyal to Individual-ONE" means. Almost everyone who has departed from his circle has turned on him. With the end looming, we can see the loyalty already evaporating.
 
Yoused said:
There was a fifth. A Capitol Police Officer took a fire extinguisher to the head.
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"The deceased started attacking the fire extinguisher the officer was holding with her head. My fellow officers can confirm this. Now, who do I make the check out to?"


JayMysteri0 said:
Allow me to repeat...

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1347230019572166661/

FUCK NO!!!
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I haven't decided which is scarier, backwoods racists or middle class and above racists.
 
This posted over there,

thehill.com

Capitol Police rejected offer for help from National Guard days before deadly riot: report

The U.S. Capitol Police turned down offers for support from the National Guard and the FBI to help manage what ended up becoming a massive Capitol security breach carried out by a mon of pro-Trump rioters.
thehill.com thehill.com
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The U.S. Capitol Police turned down offers for support from the National Guard and the FBI to help manage what ended up becoming a massive Capitol security breach carried out by a mob of pro-Trump supporters.

Capitol Police were contacted by the Pentagon three days before the planned event to see if they needed assistance from the National Guard, The Associated Press reports. Then as the rioters fell upon the Capitol, leaders from the Justice Department reached out to see if they needed assistance from FBI agents. Sources close to matter told the AP that both offers were turned down.

Despite ordering more personnel to be present in preparation for the event, Capitol Police still found themselves overwhelmed when rioters began breaking into the Capitol, smashing windows and vandalizing offices.

Multiple lawmakers expressed shock and outrage at the apparent failure in security that occurred Wednesday.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Thursday that a “painstaking investigation” would commence into Capitol security protocols.

The chief of Capitol Police, Steven Sund, resigned on Thursday, hours after the House sergeant-at-arms, Paul Irving, tendered his resignation.

Civil rights groups and activists have criticized the police for an apparent double standard that was used when dealing with the predominantly white pro-Trump rioters.
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On top of the fact that this was being planned for a month on social media, yet Capitol police were still unprepared?

THIS guy is expected to hold off what happened?

 
JayMysteri0 said:
This posted over there,




On top of the fact that this was being planned for a month on social media, yet Capitol police were still unprepared?

THIS guy is expected to hold off what happened?

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I was going to say, and yet some people still think the US government had the skill and coordination to orchestrate 9/11.

However, this does kind of fit the government knowingly letting it happen conspiracy theory. I know you are gunning for the racism and racial injustice angle, but maybe there's a "For fuck sake, how is this guy still in office and commanding millions? Let's let his supporters do him in." angle.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
I was going to say, and yet some people still think the US government had the skill and coordination to orchestrate 9/11.

However, this does kind of fit the government knowingly letting it happen conspiracy theory. I know you are gunning for the racism and racial injustice angle, but maybe there's a "For fuck sake, how is this guy still in office and commanding millions? Let's let his supporters do him in." angle.
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What's being discussed on Rachel Maddow is the administration angle. Especially the issues that kept Nat'l Guard support getting involved.

www.businessinsider.com

Maryland governor tried to deploy National Guard in DC only for his calls to be ignored

Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, said he was powerless to help lawmakers trapped by pro-Trump insurrections at the US Capitol.
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  • Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, said Thursday that he tried to deploy his state's National Guard to assist in Washington, DC, but was thwarted.
  • Hogan said he was "repeatedly" told he lacked the authorization to deploy the troops, The Washington Post reported.
  • According to The New York Times, the decision to authorize National Guard deployments ultimately came from Vice President Mike Pence, marking an apparent break with the chain in command.
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That last point contradicts 45's claim in his last video that HE immediately sent in the Nat'l Guard.
As besieged lawmakers pleaded for help, Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, said he was "repeatedly" told that he lacked the authority to deploy his state's National Guard to help put down the pro-Trump insurrection at the US Capitol.

According to The Washington Post, Hogan was urged to deploy the troops by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, a Democrat from Maryland, and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

"I was actually on the phone with Leader Hoyer who was pleading with us to send the guard," Hogan said, The Post reported. "He was yelling across the room to Schumer and they were back and forth saying we do have the authorization and I'm saying, 'I'm telling you we do not have the authorization.'"

As rioters smashed windows and forced lawmakers into hiding, the head of the Maryland National Guard was told he could not come to the aid of US Capitol police, per Hogan.

Ninety minutes later, according to Hogan, the secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy, called him to request the deployment.

Typically such calls come from the US Secretary of Defense. It was not the only apparent breach in the chain of command on Wednesday. The order to deploy the National Guard came not from the commander in chief, President Donald Trump, but rather Vice President Mike Pence, according to The New York Times.
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Race issues are based on the perception of how known protests are prepared for by the SAME police. One prepares with military gear for one protest, for the other it's just a shrug and "What could possibly happen?"
 
One thing that hasn’t been mentioned enough and that I just heard briefly on a podcast is that beyond the risk for people’s lives, and the idiot circus, hundreds of unidentified people were allowed to roam one of the main government buildings completely unchecked for several hours. They were able to log into the network, into senators’ computers, browse emails, copy files, steal hard drives... There’s a very real possibility that hostile powers (Russia, China, etc) could have left concealed devices to penetrate the network...

If this requires a complete overhaul, from having working in cabling data through large buildings and data centers, I estimate that it will take months during which they won‘t be able to do their work normally, precisely during the worst transition when it’s the most needed.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
Honestly I wish somebody said to her "No. You can stay. It's cool."

Some people just shouldn't be allowed to join the last minute integrity train.
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Still, every cabinet member who resigns leaves a smaller number to convince to help remove Trump via 25A.

And of course such a person also leaves at least a hint of reluctance to take part in such a removal since it's been reported that the process has been discussed.
 
Here's a fun shits and giggles thought. Foreign agents joined in the chaos and took the opportunity to roam around the capitol building, and I don't know, sightsee. I know, far fetched because absolutely nobody saw this coming, aside from those who have access to an obscure technology called the internet.
 

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