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Abortion is an interesting thing, ranking as a high concern for both republicans and democrats. The thing is, majority blue states already have access to abortion. The cohort of women (and men I suppose) affected by access to abortion is limited, the number of women planning on abortion even lower. So although people are passionate, I’m not convinced it’s the motivating factor some assume it to be.

I think what is evident is that the pro-life anti-choice movement has shown us is that they are deeply misogynistic. Passing laws prohibiting a medication because it could be used for pregnancy-temination or, heaven forfend, contraception, but if it has other uses, fuck it, it still has to be outlawed because girls might possibly use it in ways we disapprove of.

They have not telegraphed how they want to subjugate women, they have painted the town with their 15th century attitude. The pro-choice side has become not "let's allow abortion" it is now "let's not treat women like cattle." There are not a few women in the US that do not want to treat other women like livestock, much less be treated that way themselves, and there are probably close to that many men who feel that way as well.

Abortion rights is simply no longer about abortion (it never really was, but of late it is now blindingly obvious).

I think it’s pretty clear the Democrats have downplayed and ignored issues like the economy and cost of living- obviously there’s no magic overnight solution but the apparent lack of legitimate concern is off putting. Crime and immigration as well- but at these specifically should be addressable in the near term. And those are concerns most affecting a lot of people.

Do you truly believe that the economy would be better under Republicans? I mean, I am not at all pleased with D economic policy, but R policy is worse. Criminal, really, because it visits misery on the poorest of Americans, which promotes more crime. In other words, the Rs are worse on crime because they are actively fomenting it, aside from the criminal behavior that most of them take part in.

I truly have a hard time discerning what the Rs (in government) are even any good for. Nothing they promote is helpful to the health of the country. The Ds at least make a believable effort to address our problems, even if it amounts to not much at all. That is still much better than the America-hating Rs, who are just out to smash the country and grab as much of the candy that falls out as they can.
 
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I would definitely agree their is a faction of radical republicans- particularly the election denial grifters- I assume most of them are smart enough to realize what they’re doing. Particularly the ones who have been in government for more than 5 minutes.

The problem is the democrats are appealing to an increasingly small demographic.

For the record, I’m a moderate independent and a bit of a centrist- you need to balance the two opposing forces in the country and the crazy ideas on either side hopefully balance each other out.

My biggest concern about the republicans taking over the house and senate is they will spend the next 2+ years laser focused on Hunter Biden while preventing any meaningful legislation from happening. It’s not like I think they have any solutions to many of the current issues.

40 year high inflation. Soaring interest rates. Bleak economic output. The majority of voters have this as a top concern.

The Democrats have largely focused on 1/6 and abortion, at least at a national level. Very few people cared to watch the 1/6 commission (including myself) and the result was like a +1% in change of opinion on the matter, most people already have their minds made up (including myself, Trump should have been impeached for his extreme recklessness and dereliction of duty).

The related “future of democracy” platform that’s been pushed recently in most polls ranks quite low. There’s a certain irony having a message “if you don’t vote for us, you’re putting democracy is at stake”. That said, I don’t disagree there are some deeply concerning characters on the right.

Abortion is an interesting thing, ranking as a high concern for both republicans and democrats. The thing is, majority blue states already have access to abortion. The cohort of women (and men I suppose) affected by access to abortion is limited, the number of women planning on abortion even lower. So although people are passionate, I’m not convinced it’s the motivating factor some assume it to be.

I think it’s pretty clear the Democrats have downplayed and ignored issues like the economy and cost of living- obviously there’s no magic overnight solution but the apparent lack of legitimate concern is off putting. Crime and immigration as well- but at these specifically should be addressable in the near term. And those are concerns most affecting a lot of people.

It’s not just me saying this. It’s not just those on the right saying this. These thoughts are mirrored by many in the mainstream left and progressive left. The Dems are in a tough spot in many cases not fully due to their actions, some not at all, but if you don’t legitimately identify the concerns of voters, I wouldn’t expect great results.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, I don’t think Republicans have any answers to the economy and inflation in the near term or many other issues. They of course have the luxury of being the minority and blaming dems for everything.

I don't even know where to begin with all of this. I'm trying to keep my blood pressure down.

There’s a certain irony having a message “if you don’t vote for us, you’re putting democracy is at stake”.

It's not ironic if it's true ...
That said, I don’t disagree there are some deeply concerning characters on the right.

The few Republicans who aren't deeply concerning are being tossed out of the party because the party openly wants to become more deeply concerning. Again, do people just not pay attention to what the Republicans actually say? They are pretty open about it.

It's like we live in parallel universes. "Sure the Republican party tried to end democracy as we know it and that's not good, but is that really important? And by focusing on it aren't Democrats appealing to just as an extreme as people who delusionally or cynically push election lies and want to continue to undermine elections which now make up the majority of Republican voters and especially the political class that represents them?"

I mean yeah the republicans are poised to do well in the midterms - usually the party out of power in the WH does - one would've liked to think that supporting the end of democracy would change that dynamic rather than simply suppressing it as it seems to have done at the time of writing. The fact that it didn't, the fact that you write what you write is actually what's deeply concerning. I mean I know history isn't taught very well in the US, but surely we all studied the rise of fascism in Europe, what happened, how it came about, or hell even as I wrote before the lead up to the US civil war. Selective amnesia? or what?

@Yoused covered the abortion angle already extremely well so I'll do the economic: the economic outlook isn't even that ****ing bleak nor are actual crime rates or any of the other **** you said as to why democrats are losing. Also as for 40 year high inflation, the entire world is undergoing inflationary pressures and while there may be variation country to country if the US is doing more so (which we aren't, we're about average) ... you do remember that during the Trump administration people kept saying his out of control spending could overheat the economy and cause inflation? or no? More selective amnesia? Again even I wouldn't put the blame on him (as much as I would love to) because overall it's a global phenomenon. You can blame the pandemic, the war, supply chain breakdowns due to both, etc ... or just the fact that we went through 30 years of historically low inflation and that had to end at some point. Similarly, crime rates are high locally, but they are still extremely low historically. The idea that this is BLM or radical democrats fault other such is just amazing. But hey we gotta block that democratic extremism like protecting voting rights and civil rights for minorities! That's just too far ...

Well I got through that without swearing or doing anything to earn a ban.

Edit: nope I did swear, twice, I’ll self censor, not sure about forum rules

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I mean yeah the republicans are poised to do well in the midterms - usually the party out of power in the WH does - one would've liked to think that supporting the end of democracy would change that dynamic rather than simply suppressing it as it seems to have done at the time of writing.

So basically this, a little better than this actually, Democrats managed to not lose as badly as history would've predicted that they should have, Republicans projected to have a slight, maybe single, vote majority in the house only, but still you would've liked to think that trying to end democracy would've caused the nation to rebuke the Republicans entirely, but alas we are what we are as depressing as that is. Just not as depressing as it could've been! And I guess that's something to not be depressed about.
 
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what’s a “church?”

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I truly have a hard time discerning what the Rs (in government) are even any good for. Nothing they promote is helpful to the health of the country. The Ds at least make a believable effort to address our problems, even if it amounts to not much at all. That is still much better than the America-hating Rs, who are just out to smash the country and grab as much of the candy that falls out as they can.

The Republican party is like having a company where an entire department is paid to make the company fail. If they can’t kill a product up front they’ll severely understaff the departments in charge while loudly complaining they aren’t getting anything done.
 
Abortion is an interesting thing, ranking as a high concern for both republicans and democrats. The thing is, majority blue states already have access to abortion. The cohort of women (and men I suppose) affected by access to abortion is limited, the number of women planning on abortion even lower. So although people are passionate, I’m not convinced it’s the motivating factor some assume it to be.

Abortion is a big thing since attacking abortion means attacking freedom on a very fundamental level. It's not something you can look at from purely utilitarian perspective. This is literally about "I have agency over my life and can make my choices in a difficult situation". I rank it at the same level as the right to education, right to choose your profession and right to free movement. These are all cornerstones of free society. But unfortunately not many people realise this, dismissing it as some minor social issue that only affects a small proportion of population that nobody really cares about. That's exactly the attitude of carelessness that destroys democracy and free societies.

But if I understand you correctly, you are commenting on campaign rhetorics choices rather than abortion in itself. And I don't disagree that overly focusing on this question will probably miss a good portion of reachable voter potential.
 
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If you can't say it out loud in church during Bible study then you cannot say it here.
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What are the implications of “bless those who curse you” when it comes to cursing during Bible study? Shortcut to getting blessed?

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What are the implications of “bless those who curse you” when it comes to cursing during Bible study? Shortcut to getting blessed?

I think it depends on if you're baptized already or not. Also, it's important to note whether you get the crackers and grape juice afterwards.
 
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