No “Extreme” chip coming to Mac Pro?

Why not? IMO, that would be a huge mistake.

It’s a niche part of a niche market. I just don’t see apple going there again any time soon. If they return to xserve, I think it also will be a very different machine than a Mac Pro.

Frankly, it’s remarkable that they even still bother with mac pro. They’re one bad meal at BJ’s away from giving up on it, I’d imagine.
 
It’s a niche part of a niche market. I just don’t see apple going there again any time soon. If they return to xserve, I think it also will be a very different machine than a Mac Pro.

Frankly, it’s remarkable that they even still bother with mac pro. They’re one bad meal at BJ’s away from giving up on it, I’d imagine.

Hah!

I don't have numbers, but I think it's more than a niche. How much more I don't know. If the new MacPro is PCIe card-based, and there are extra slots, I think they'll do it. I suspect they could even re-use the previous MacPro Rack Mount chassis (perhaps with a different front panel to match the design language of the non-rack version).

"If they return to xserve, I think it also will be a very different machine than a Mac Pro."

Agree on that.
 
And good for many other kinds of cards useful in scientific, industrial, research, defense/aerospace, etc. applications. I'm assuming there will be a rack mount version (not just rack mount ears) like there was with the previous Mac Pro.
I don't think engineering is Apples focus with the Mac Pro. The 2019 was heavily focused towards audios, video and 3D crowd.

PCIe slots have many uses but Apples area of focus mainly been GPUs and audio cards and storage so far. (Judging by their past keynotes) and rightly so I don't think macOS is used much in engineering or CAD. SOLIDWORKS for one is purely Windows.
 
Why not? IMO, that would be a huge mistake.

It's interesting Apple still sells the previous rack mount version.

What's previous about it? That's the current 2019 Mac Pro.
 
It’s a niche part of a niche market. I just don’t see apple going there again any time soon. If they return to xserve, I think it also will be a very different machine than a Mac Pro.

Frankly, it’s remarkable that they even still bother with mac pro. They’re one bad meal at BJ’s away from giving up on it, I’d imagine.
I am confused now, Apple does sell the 2019 in the Rack mount form right??

And if the 2019 form factor is to be used on the 2023 Mac Pro no reason to get rid of the rack mount.
 
I don't think engineering is Apples focus with the Mac Pro. The 2019 was heavily focused towards audios, video and 3D crowd.

PCIe slots have many uses but Apples area of focus mainly been GPUs and audio cards and storage so far. (Judging by their past keynotes) and rightly so I don't think macOS is used much in engineering or CAD. SOLIDWORKS for one is purely Windows.

There's a world of other applications out there: scientific, research, defense/aerospace, industrial, etc. They could be off the shelf cards, or custom designed cards that perform some specific function (I used to do that).

Yes, I misspoke - the new Mac Pro isn't here yet. So that would be the current Mac Pro Rack Mount.
 
I am confused now, Apple does sell the 2019 in the Rack mount form right??

And if the 2019 form factor is to be used on the 2023 Mac Pro no reason to get rid of the rack mount.

Yes.


"And if the 2019 form factor is to be used on the 2023 Mac Pro no reason to get rid of the rack mount."

My thoughts as well. Or if the new "regular" MacPro gets a new chassis, and has a PCIe bus, I suspect the Mac Pro Rack Mount would have the same front panel design language. If there is no PCIe bus, there wouldn't likely be a rack mount version.

Hey...maybe it'll be.... nuBus! :)
 
I am confused now, Apple does sell the 2019 in the Rack mount form right??

And if the 2019 form factor is to be used on the 2023 Mac Pro no reason to get rid of the rack mount.
Do they? I thought they just sell an adapter?
 
scientific, research, defense/aerospace, industrial, etc. They could be off the shelf cards, or custom designed cards that perform some specific function (I used to do that).
Yes but how many of those apps work with ARM64 macOS. Stability is key in those environments. I think most Pro users will be sticking to x86 macOS for a while in those environments or I am maybe wrong and they all switch. 😅
 
Yes but how many of those apps work with ARM64 macOS. Stability is key in those environments. I think most Pro users will be sticking to x86 macOS for a while in those environments or I am maybe wrong and they all switch. 😅

Ages ago we sold lots of repurposed Mac IIfx computers (nuBus, IIRC) with special purpose cards to a government customer for processing signals. Don't remember the language/development environment. It was pre-Metrowerks, so it must have been Pascal. I think we worked in a special version of MatLab as well. Used 4D (Fourth Dimension) for databasing.
 
Damn... I forgot how beautiful the rack mount version is. Nice machining.
How many cards do your clients usually need? If Apple were to produce a M2 or M3 based Mac Pro as a 2U rack mount with room for, say, 4 wing cards (horizontal), given the lack of need for a GPU or Afterburner, would that be enough for most?
 
How many cards do your clients usually need? If Apple were to produce a M2 or M3 based Mac Pro as a 2U rack mount with room for, say, 4 wing cards (horizontal), given the lack of need for a GPU or Afterburner, would that be enough for most?

From my perspective, it's not so much what cards clients need to home-grow develop their own solution, but rather what would I or someone else need to develop and sell a special purpose MacPro-based product a customer would find useful/interesting for, say, analyzing realtime (or stored) data (industrial, medical, research, defense). Or whatever specific need is required by a customer.

Just to toss out a number, between 1 and 4 (or could be just 1 or 2) cards, depending on how data comes in; ie digital or analog. And if analog, would there be room for a small shielded box for two to four A/D converters and a small linear power supply (if MacPro’s switching power supply could not be adequately filtered). Keeping noise out of A/D converters, via proximity or conducted through a switching supply, makes me nervous. A MacPro full of logic with super-fast rise times translates to wideband noise in the frequency domain, which could corrupt A/D dynamic range.

I'm spitballing here as I haven't done this sort of thing in a long time. It's more of a thought experiment: ie, What kind of useful *turnkey* product could one make out of a rack mount MacPro?

That could range from a well-shielded board with two to four channel 16 bit A/D converters clocked at various high-speed rates that pushes digital samples into the huge amounts of soc RAM in the MacPro, to special purpose custom digital pre-processing cards accepting data implementing an algorithm in hardware. Or both. And custom analysis software, perhaps aided by MATLAB.

As an aside, I am kind of curious how fast MacPro’s internal M2/M3 RAM can directly accept continuous digital sample data received over an internal bus, or, MacPro’s 10 Gbit/s ethernet port with its overhead - without ever dropping (or corrupting) a sample. Certainly audio is no problem. 100 MegaSamples/sec (16 bit samples) from an external source over 10 Gbit/s ethernet with overhead? Possibly, I don’t know - the numbers seem to fit. Or… sample data could be drawn from a customer’s bulk memory as blocks, and not real time.

2U is an interesting size (3.5"), and pretty common for instrumentation (the current MacPro rack mount version is 5U (8 3/4").

Laying cards flat in a 2U chassis is an interesting idea. Curious...do you think a 2U chassis with lay-flat user cards is a real possibility from Apple?

The current MacPro has a 1.4 kilowatt power supply. No doubt an AS MacPro version will be much less. For reference, a Mac Studio lists maximum continuous power at 370 watts. So maybe 500 watts max for an AS Mac Pro? And more if there are user card slots? 700 watts?

Sorry for the ramble. The above is nothing specific, but just a bunch of initial stuff to think about to see what possibilities are practical. :)
 
If Apple is planning to reuse the 7.1 Mac Pro chassis, which already has a rackmount variant, why would they design a totally new rackmount chassis for the ASi Mac Pro...?

And if the rumors of a six slot ASi Mac Pro are also true, why would they design a totally different rackmount chassis that supports less PCIe slots than the tower chassis...?
 
Laying cards flat in a 2U chassis is an interesting idea. Curious...do you think a 2U chassis with lay-flat user cards is a real possibility from Apple?

I am spitballing. Apple does interesting stuff, sometimes. I look at the size of a Studio and imagine they might be going for more compact, and that could be an option, maybe. I believe the it will be on N3, so its power draw will not exceed the Ultra, even at a steady 3.9~4.2GHz. And the huge cooling system that the Xeon-W needed will be greatly reduced, so maybe a 2U would be good, but the slots would have to be horizontal if they are going to have them. My thought is that the Studio should cover a vast range of high-end users, so a niche Pro would be rack only (naturally with a $600 optional frame for setting it up without a rack).
 
I am spitballing. Apple does interesting stuff, sometimes. I look at the size of a Studio and imagine they might be going for more compact, and that could be an option, maybe. I believe the it will be on N3, so its power draw will not exceed the Ultra, even at a steady 3.9~4.2GHz. And the huge cooling system that the Xeon-W needed will be greatly reduced, so maybe a 2U would be good, but the slots would have to be horizontal if they are going to have them. My thought is that the Studio should cover a vast range of high-end users, so a niche Pro would be rack only (naturally with a $600 optional frame for setting it up without a rack).

That would cut into their $600 wheel sales.
 
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