Stealing The Election 101

[SuperMatt]

The term for this is "stochastic terrorism", wherein a prominent or vocal person suggests that a certain target is appropriate for violent action but claims innocence when somebody actually does it. This needs to be codified into law.

Like the Fox News guy telling people to assassinate Fauci, then saying “well I was being metaphorical!”

 

[GermanSuplex]

Glad to see the lunatic Trump boot-lickers face consequences for their lies.

I’m tired of them making up controversy, and then saying nobody should take them seriously, they didn’t really mean it, etc.

They’re stoking doubt and violence. What do you think will happen when you tell millions of angry white voters the left is stealing the election from them and then hint at violence?

We’re seeing a breakdown of norms. We don’t have laws for everything, and these white collar criminals are using falsehoods and disinformation to drum up funding. They’re making a ton of money off of stupidity.

 

[Yoused]

They’re making a ton of money off of stupidity.

To be fair, stupidity is a vital capital resource. Without an abundance of this resource, our economic system would all but collapse, and for that reason, lies and deceit are a heavily protected part of speech. I mean, how could you make an honest mint without being able to wantonly bullshit your prospective customers? Which is to say, these people are making big money in the traditional and accepted way.

 

[JayMysteri0]

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1474400159865913345/

 

[Yoused]

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1475542595673763848/

Umm, what? You steal an election by getting people to legally vote for you? Now the meaning of "steal" has changed?

 

[SuperMatt]

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1475542595673763848/

Umm, what? You steal an election by getting people to legally vote for you? Now the meaning of "steal" has changed?

Wisconsin had one big election in 2010 that went very well for Republicans. The state has voted mostly Democratic for a long time. But in 2010, the Republicans gerrymandered the system so that winning 45% of the voters gives them over 60% of the legislature.

So no, Mark Zuckerberg didn’t turn Wisconsin blue… The only Republicans they’ve voted in as president since 1976 were Reagan and Trump.

Facts are always screwing up the conservative narratives.

 

[JayMysteri0]

Yup. With Rand's logic, he's making the case for gerrymandering or rigging the game, as the only "fair" way to win. So of course it's okay to cheat, winning is the ONLY point, NOT the process or contest. After all, if doing things fairly doesn't work for you...

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1475678962747682816/

 

[JayMysteri0]

This is a remarkable bit of effort on the part of 'r's

The Jan. 6 puzzle piece that's going largely ignored

Rep. Louie Gohmert sued then-Vice President Mike Pence on Dec. 27. Donald Trump’s involvement in the case remains unclear.

www.politico.com

As Donald Trump and his allies squeezed then-Vice President Mike Pence to single-handedly stop Joe Biden’s presidency in the weeks ahead of Jan. 6, they used one particular tool that’s been largely ignored ever since.

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) sued Pence on Dec. 27, just as Trump was ratcheting up his pressure campaign against his vice president. Backed by a squad of lawyers associated with Trump ally and conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell, Gohmert argued Pence should assert unilateral control over certification, governed only by the vague wording of the Twelfth Amendment.

Gohmert’s move forced Pence to publicly resist Trump’s subversion of the election, only a week before the fateful Jan. 6 joint session of Congress. When the Justice Department stepped in to defend Pence from the lawsuit on Dec. 29, it marked the first time Pence signaled he wouldn’t fold to Trump’s demands.

Then there is the confessions

Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Lays Out How He and Bannon Planned to Overturn Biden’s Electoral Win

Photo Illustration by The Daily Beast/GettyA former Trump White House official says he and right-wing provocateur Steve Bannon were actually behind the last-ditch coordinated effort by rogue Republicans in Congress to halt certification of the 2020 election results and keep President Donald...

news.yahoo.com

A former Trump White House official says he and right-wing provocateur Steve Bannon were actually behind the last-ditch coordinated effort by rogue Republicans in Congress to halt certification of the 2020 election results and keep President Donald Trump in power earlier this year, in a plan dubbed the “Green Bay Sweep.”

In his recently published memoir, Peter Navarro, then-President Donald Trump’s trade adviser, details how he stayed in close contact with Bannon as they put the Green Bay Sweep in motion with help from members of Congress loyal to the cause.

But in an interview last week with The Daily Beast, Navarro shed additional light on his role in the operation and their coordination with politicians like Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX).

“We spent a lot of time lining up over 100 congressmen, including some senators. It started out perfectly. At 1 p.m., Gosar and Cruz did exactly what was expected of them,” Navarro told The Daily Beast. “It was a perfect plan. And it all predicated on peace and calm on Capitol Hill. We didn’t even need any protestors, because we had over 100 congressmen committed to it.”

That commitment appeared as Congress was certifying the 2020 Electoral College votes reflecting that Joe Biden beat Trump. Sen. Cruz signed off on Gosar’s official objection to counting Arizona’s electoral ballots, an effort that was supported by dozens of other Trump loyalists.

This last-minute maneuvering never had any chance of actually decertifying the election results on its own, a point that Navarro quickly acknowledges. But their hope was to run the clock as long as possible to increase public pressure on then-Vice President Mike Pence to send the electoral votes back to six contested states, where Republican-led legislatures could try to overturn the results. And in their mind, ramping up pressure on Pence would require media coverage. While most respected news organizations refused to regurgitate unproven conspiracy theories about widespread election fraud, this plan hoped to force journalists to cover the allegations by creating a historic delay to the certification process.

“The Green Bay Sweep was very well thought out. It was designed to get us 24 hours of televised hearings,” he said. “But we thought that we could bypass the corporate media by getting this stuff televised.”

Navarro’s part in this ploy was to provide the raw materials, he said in an interview on Thursday. That came in the form of a three-part White House report he put together during his final weeks in the Trump administration with volume titles like, “The Immaculate Deception” and “The Art of the Steal.”

Yet we keep hearing from 'r's there was nothing going on on the steps on 1/6 or inside the capital itself.

Seems like a great bit of effort was put into nothing, fully conscious it was based on bullshit.

 

[SuperMatt]

This is a remarkable bit of effort on the part of 'r's





Then there is the confessions




Yet we keep hearing from 'r's there was nothing going on on the steps on 1/6 or inside the capital itself.

Seems like a great bit of effort was put into nothing, fully conscious it was based on bullshit.

Navarro is openly talking about his coup d’état plans... with no apparent fear of consequences? Wow.

I thought Republican voters would be appalled by this, but it doesn’t seem to be the case. They have forgotten all about the insurrection and attempted coup and blithely jumped onto the “Let’s Go Brandon” train. Maybe I’m wrong and the 2022 primaries will see Trump-loving Republicans get “primaried out.”

 

[Thomas Veil]

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1475542595673763848/

Umm, what? You steal an election by getting people to legally vote for you?

That is what I thought when I read it.

Someone explain to me again how Rand Paul is supposed to be this brilliant force in the Republican Party? He's only slightly brighter than the Karen twins, Lauren Boebert and MTG.

 

[Yoused]

This sounds kind of odd.

In her little spiel, from the two minute mark, there is a part where the captions say "should", but it sounds not quite like that.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

I think it's pretty hilarious that Trump said Texas, where he won, should do an audit and they are actually doing it. What a great way to spend donation money, but I'm sure the Trumpers will somehow get a jolt of righteousness when they receive the affirmation. Maybe they should do an audit of the Trump winning states annually like it's a Civil War reenactment.

 

[JayMysteri0]

What's the name of this thread again? "Stealing the election". Perhaps it could also be "grifting from the election".

The Cyber Ninjas Are Now the Cyber Ronin (Because They've All Been Fired)

Rather than pay $50,000 daily fines, the firm behind the hoax Arizona audit claims it has totally disbanded.

gizmodo.com

The self-proclaimed Cyber Ninjas behind the hoax “audit” of the 2020 election results in Arizona’s Maricopa County are scattering to the winds following a string of humiliating defeats. In what looks very much like a desperate gambit to evade $50,000 daily penalties for disobeying a court order, the firm now claims it has disbanded and all staff have been fired.

“Cyber Ninjas is shutting down. All employees have been let go,” a representative for the political firm, Rod Thomson, told NBC News via text message on Thursday. In a subsequent statement to CNN, Thomson blamed “$2 million debt from the Arizona audit and endless legal and character attacks on the company by those who opposed the audit.”

But Cyber Ninjas, run by a QAnon and “Stop the Steal” aficionado named Doug Logan, bravely moved forward regardless, pursuing any leads, no matter how ludicrous. They and an army of partisan, untrained volunteers scanned ballots for nonexistent UV watermarks signifying fraud, looked at them under microscopes searching for nefarious Chinese bamboo, and searched for “kinematic markers” proving... something. In the process, they reportedly wasted over $9 million, including state funds and a reported $5.7 million from donors. The company’s final report ultimately re-affirmed Joe Biden won Maricopa County but listed 77 issues it insisted remain suspicious

Local election officials released a report this week finding that 76 of those allegations were mistakes or misunderstandings resulting from Cyber Ninja’s incompetence and failure to understand Arizona election law, or otherwise appeared to be completely fabricated. That rebuttal was released as Cyber Ninjas faced the promise of $50,000 daily fines in a lawsuit brought by the Arizona Republic newspaper, which is trying to force the company to release internal text messages, emails, and other records about the audit. Cyber Ninjas has continued to insist that as a private company it is not subject to public records law and does not need to need to release anything, even though the court has already handed down an order demanding they do so.


On Thursday, the Washington Post reported, a very fed-up Maricopa Superior Court Judge John Hannah ordered Cyber Ninjas to immediately release the records or pay $50,000 in fines daily, saying: “It is lucidly clear on this record that Cyber Ninjas has disregarded that order.”

Cyber Ninjas was apparently under the impression that dissolving itself is a clever trick that will allow it to continue to evade the records requests. A lawyer for the company, Jack Wilenchik, told the Post that since no staff are left, it can no longer search those records. According to the Associated Press, Hannah said that argument won’t work, as he has seen no evidence Cyber Ninjas is actually out of money and the company could simply forward the records for Senate legislative lawyers to sort through.

 

[Renzatic]

Just another martyr for a cause already littered with them.

 

[Yoused]

Just another martyr for a cause already littered with them.

You would think if there were enough martyrs, their cause would eventually die out with them.

 

[Renzatic]

You would think if there were enough martyrs, their cause would eventually die out with them.

Yeah, you'd think. But...

 

[MEJHarrison]

I think it's pretty hilarious that Trump said Texas, where he won, should do an audit and they are actually doing it. What a great way to spend donation money...

It is dumb. On the other hand, if Republicans want to waste money recounting ballots, then that leaves them less money for the election. And the ludicrous places they're doing re-counts are the places where people need to hear that nothing unusual happened. And they probably need to keep hearing it till they have enough sense to stop donating money to the cause. In the end, I don't care if they spend a billion and do 200 re-counts. That's less money in the Republican coffers and more affirmation that they've been fed a bunch of lies.

I honestly don't understand the Republican point of view. They're shooting themselves in one foot supporting this nonsense. Meanwhile they're shooting themselves in the other foot with Covid and vaccines. Those who are still alive for the next election aren't going to have any money to donate to the party. I'm not sure I see the logic in their plans.

 

[JayMysteri0]

So I'm confused, the 'r's are desperately looking for all this voter fraud that stole the election but can't prove.

Yet, people getting charged for voter fraud.

Why don't the 'r's present that their evidence of someone cheating in elections?

Florida Retirement Community Sees 4th Resident Charged With Voter Fraud

Law enforcement officials said Charles Barnes, 64, was not only registered to vote in Florida but in Connecticut as well.

www.newsweek.com

A fourth resident of a retirement community in The Villages, Florida was recently charged with voter fraud.

On Tuesday, Charles Barnes, 64, was arrested and charged with voter fraud for allegedly casting more than one ballot, an arrest affidavit filed in court showed.

There is no basis for the charge detailed in the arrest affidavit. On Thursday, Barnes entered a not guilty plea.

He first registered to vote in 2019 in Sumter County. Barnes was not affiliated with any political party when he voted in 2020, according to online voting records, WKMG-TV reported.

However, in 2020, records showed that Barnes was not only registered to vote in Florida, but also in Connecticut, according to WKMG-TV.

Barnes has been released from jail after paying a $2,000 bond, the Orlando Sentinel reported. He could be sentenced to up to five years in prison if convicted of the third-degree felony, according to The Independent.

 

[JayMysteri0]

It is dumb. On the other hand, if Republicans want to waste money recounting ballots, then that leaves them less money for the election. And the ludicrous places they're doing re-counts are the places where people need to hear that nothing unusual happened. And they probably need to keep hearing it till they have enough sense to stop donating money to the cause. In the end, I don't care if they spend a billion and do 200 re-counts. That's less money in the Republican coffers and more affirmation that they've been fed a bunch of lies.

I don't think you understand republicans.

Republicans hate "big gov't" & wasteful gov't spending, UNLESS...

Texas taxpayers likely face a steep bill for 'election audit' Trump ordered from Gov. Greg Abbott

While Texas officials have yet to explain how they'll pay for their probe into 2020 election results in four of the state's most-populous counties, evidence...

www.sacurrent.com

According to the same report, a statewide probe ordered up by Republican lawmakers in Wisconsin is estimated to run more than $63,000 and could expand statewide.

That Wisconsin price tag appears poised to go up further, according to news reports. Late last month, Republicans who control the Wisconsin Legislature began seeking approval to spend up to $680,000 in taxpayer money to bankroll the investigation.

Meanwhile, the report estimated the cost of Pennsylvania's ongoing Republican-ordered election investigation at $25,000. However, Philadelphia officials have warned that the city could be forced to replace $40 million in voting machines compromised during the process.

Michigan's GOP-backed probe has so far generated an estimated price tag of $5,000, the report states. However, Republican lawmakers in that state's legislature are also pushing for legislation that would appropriate $2.5 million in funding for the project.

The cost of Georgia's review was unclear at the time data was compiled, according to the report.

Just as alarming as the expense of the audits are what Republican officials are getting for their money, the report warns. The partisan reviews examined by the study failed basic standards of objectivity, transparency and competence, according to the authors.

"[T]he procedures proposed for these reviews are not designed to obtain secure and accurate results and are radically different from proven election integrity procedures, such as post-election tabulation audits, routinely conducted by election officials across the country," the report notes. "That these efforts are gaining traction more than six months after certification of the election is a blinking red warning light."

 

[SuperMatt]

So I'm confused, the 'r's are desperately looking for all this voter fraud that stole the election but can't prove.

Yet, people getting charged for voter fraud.

Why don't the 'r's present that their evidence of someone cheating in elections?

The Governor’s press Secretary was defending this person? I guess they’re only against voter fraud if the vote was for the wrong person. What a joke…

"Multiple voting is unlawful," Christina Pushaw, press secretary for Governor Ron DeSantis, said, according to WKMG-TV. "It isn't a crime to be registered to vote in more than one state, as long as you only vote in one."