The future of affirmative action

[Chew Toy McCoy]

I actually think teaching what republicans call CRT (aka accurate history) in schools would clear a lot of these issues up in a generation or two. You teach people the truth, you get them to see a wider world view, people get along better, minorities are happy because there's less racism, white people are happy because minorities are moving up the success ladder without any pesky "socialism", and then we get closer to that equal footing we all talk about.

But a lot of people in this country simply don't want that. They want to keep people stupid and divided, and that only further perpetuates the need for things like affirmative action. This is very similar to the BLM/"Don't all lives matter?" debate.

A lot of this shit should have been taught and fixed many generations ago. The good will of healing and rebuilding the country after the civil war stopped about 5 minutes after it started. This allowed people to go right back to their old way of thinking while coming up with creative ways to skirt the new law designating black people as actual human beings.

 

[ronntaylor]

I will give you a chance to walk this back.

Your ass will be waiting till eternity + one day.

 

[Huntn]

I actually think teaching what republicans call CRT (aka accurate history) in schools would clear a lot of these issues up in a generation or two. You teach people the truth, you get them to see a wider world view, people get along better, minorities are happy because there's less racism, white people are happy because minorities are moving up the success ladder without any pesky "socialism", and then we get closer to that equal footing we all talk about.

But a lot of people in this country simply don't want that. They want to keep people stupid and divided, and that only further perpetuates the need for things like affirmative action. This is very similar to the BLM/"Don't all lives matter?" debate.

That CRT idea could only come from the mind of a __________ individual
choose one or two:

• sick
• White privileged
• Manipulative
• oppressive
• insecure
• selfish
• racist
• right wing political , anti-democrati, fascist in the making MoFo.

 

[Huntn]

All things being equal, yes. Quota's, no!

The idea behind affirmative action is that things are not equal, far from it, and AA’s intent is to give disadvantage citizens a chance to get into a limited position job or school that they may not get due to a competitive climate, 5 slots, 100 qualified people. Plus a diversified race and gender workplace is good thing in the big picture unless you ask a racist about it…

 

[JayMysteri0]

Asians do kinda get it from all sides. But in this case, and another that escapes me right now, they appear to be proxies for white critics for diversity programs that are deemed helpful to Black and Latino students. There are several Asian communities that would benefit from targeted diversity/affirmative action programs. These plaintiffs don't care about "those people" though. They would have a better case if they went after the white kids with lesser credentials/scores that are given preference. But that would be biting the hand that feeds into the "model minority" myth that benefits many of them.

I think what many forget is that for the racists, the Asian communities became their goto to demonstrate how PoC can't possibly be held down. It must be the Black communities doing it to themselves, ignoring the systems intentionally put in place to keep Black communities down earlier.

The history of tensions — and solidarity — between Black and Asian American communities, explained

After a recent surge in anti-Asian attacks, the narrative quickly turned to Asian-Black hostility. But it’s much more complicated than that.

www.vox.com

How policy created the conditions for Black-Asian tensions​

The models we have for understanding and interpreting racism are often oversimplified and lead to frustration and resentment.

A simple model of racism that casts people as either perpetrators or victims of racism is divorced from the reality that individuals have dozens of identities outside of just their race. The fact is that Black Americans are native-born Americans, and, like all native-born people, they are susceptible to xenophobic and nationalistic sentiments that can place blame on an “other” — in this case, Asian Americans, who can be seen as “forever foreigners” even if they, too, are native-born.

While Black Americans (who are overwhelmingly Democratic) often have more liberal views on immigration reform, there is also existing research that indicates that Black people may feel economic competition with new immigrant communities that can manifest as broad anti-immigrant sentiment and racism.

Scholars also highlight that a lot of this competition is due to a racial hierarchy that has placed Black Americans at the bottom. When newcomers enter the country, they encounter a system that reserves the best for wealthy, white Americans, engendering resentment and zero-sum thinking among everyone else for whatever is left.

The conflict between Korean Americans and Black Americans is one of the most visible examples of this phenomenon.

In 1965, the United States ended the quota-based system of immigration and began to push for high-skilled labor to enter the country. One group that was able to enter the country were Korean Americans who were hyper-selected — that is, they had much higher socioeconomic and educational attainment relative not only to their country of origin but also to the native-born US population.


Yến Lê Espiritu, a professor of ethnic studies who specializes in Asian American studies at the University of California San Diego, explained how this highly educated population came to the United States and was often unable to replicate the social status that they enjoyed in their home country due to racial discrimination and other barriers. Instead, they found employment as small-business owners, opening up shops in predominantly Black communities.

“Many of these immigrants didn’t intend to be small businessmen. The structural context is that Korean immigrants couldn’t regain the employment and educational status they once held,” Espiritu told Vox. Their proximity to Black people was because they were only able to start businesses in “economically disadvantaged areas.” This, coupled with the fact that anti-Black racism in financing meant Black people often couldn’t start their own businesses, sparked bitterness on both sides.

Espiritu added that an additional barrier was that both groups had already been primed to mistrust each other. As Koreans consumed American media, they internalized the racist depictions of Black Americans as violent, uneducated, and poor — similarly, Black Americans had watched (with the rest of America) as Koreans were depicted as untrustworthy during the Korean War.

“‘Middleman minority’ is a term derived from the historical experiences of Jews in Europe and Chinese in Southeast Asia and Asian Indians in Africa,” Chang told Vox. Middlemen minorities exist between dominant and subordinate groups in society and often hold professions heavily concentrated in the retail and service industries like grocery markets and liquor stores, he explained.

These groups often have daily contact with one another in a way that white Americans often do not due to segregated neighborhoods, shopping centers, and schools. Between the racist stereotypes both groups have internalized and the linguistic and cultural barriers separating them, it’s little surprise the continual interactions could lead to conflict.

My uneducated title for this is what I called "the shittiest shell game". Where basically racists still hate Asians, but love the Asian community to use as a shield for the racist's shit against their original target of choice. This shell game has afforded more opportunities for SOME Asian communities in a greater number than Black communities, so it must be the Black communities that aren't stepping up.