The Vision Pro

[rdrr]

Heh...

Here’s what Mark Zuckerberg thinks about Apple’s Vision Pro

One takeaway: “it costs seven times more.”

www.theverge.com

Didn't Balmer say something similar about the iPhone? I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like 'Who would pay $799 for a phone?"

 

[Eric]

Vision mini (a monocle)

LMAO

 

[theorist9]

Like this...?

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Was wondering where you found that, since it isn't in the WWDC presentation or on Apple's website, and I found your source here at MacRumors:

Apple Still Hasn't Discussed the Vision Pro's Weight and Optional Top Head Strap

Coming away from all the press coverage and the demonstration videos that Apple released for its Vision Pro headset, most people would be forgiven...

www.macrumors.com

His findings correspond to what I wrote:

"[The over-the-head strap] is conspicuous only by its absence in Apple's marketing materials. Indeed, Apple has not even mentioned the optional head strap, but some of those who got to try the headset in person in Cupertino this week, such as MacRumors videographer Dan Barbera, did get to use it. 'A lot of people probably didn't know this just by looking at some press images, but there is another band that goes over the top of your head,' said Dan in his initial impressions video. In his opinion, with the additional strap attached, the Vision Pro is 'not that far off from other headsets in terms of weight,' but it does 'a really good job of dispersing that weight' and making it not so front-heavy. 'I do think most people will want to use it,' he added.'"

Apple obviously left it off from their presentations because it looks sleeker without it, and thus makes for better marketing pics.

 

[Yoused]

One thing perplexes me: I am very nearsighted – the uncorrected sharp-image focal distance for my left eye is about 3 inches, my right eye about 4". This sounds like right about where the image plane would be for these things. Is the corrective lens option for people that would need reading glasses?

 

[dada_dave]

One thing perplexes me: I am very nearsighted – the uncorrected sharp-image focal distance for my left eye is about 3 inches, my right eye about 4". This sounds like right about where the image plane would be for these things. Is the corrective lens option for people that would need reading glasses?

Yes, apparently they snap in and out magnetically

 

[Joelist]

The weird part is you are looking into essentially super high res displays. It should be possible to use the data in a prescription to alter the way the display presents things so you see perfectly (in terms of magnification and the like).

 

[Eric]

The weird part is you are looking into essentially super high res displays. It should be possible to use the data in a prescription to alter the way the display presents things so you see perfectly (in terms of magnification and the like).

This is what I was thinking, maybe it's a feature they'll be considering at some point. Even with a digital camera you can change the focus through the electronic viewfinder and make it perfectly fit your vision, seems perfectly doable.

 

[Citysnaps]

I just finished watching a segment of John Gruber interviewing Vision Pro project manager Mike Rockwell and Greg Joswiak. They talked about the underlying tech in the device, various problems that needed to be solved, and expected user experiences using the device - and where it's all going. In a word, fascinating.

For those interested, jump to the 38:30 mark in the video.

 

[ArgoDuck]

I have pondered at length on several searching questions and even some criticisms aimed at Vision Pro, and feel they merit a reasoned response

Here it is:

I want one

 

[MEJHarrison]

I heard today that Rec Room is coming to the Vision Pro. So that pretty much settles the "but can it do VR?" question. I assumed it would, but it was noticeably absent in the announcement.

 

[Joelist]

It definitely can do VR - just use the dial on the vision to totally remove the real world view.

 

[Colstan]

I want one

This is, ultimately, what matters. I've made it no secret that the Mac is the only Apple product that I own, or really care about, for that matter. Just because I don't have an interest in a device, that doesn't mean that I want it to fail. This seems like an interesting category, it's just not for me. Also, from what I gather, it has certain synergies with the Mac. That means potentially more Macs sold, which is good for the product line that I enjoy using. It's the same reason that I want AppleTV+ and Apple Fitness+ to succeed, even though they are way out of my wheelhouse. There seems to be a mentality, even among Apple fans, to tear down that which we don't personally desire. The fruit company has a broad product portfolio, we all have different use cases, which is fine.

 

[MEJHarrison]

It definitely can do VR - just use the dial on the vision to totally remove the real world view.

Yeah, I saw the dial. While that might technically be VR, it's not what I'm referring to. That's nothing more than a skybox. You're answering texts or doing a FaceTime call or browsing the web, and you can do it while surrounded by what appears to be Mt Hood for example. But you can't move around Mt Hood and explore. It's just the set dressing.

It's like having a picture of Doom as your desktop wallpaper on your computer. It might look like the game, but it's just a static image. You can't actually play.

This news means you actually could have a game/experience where you are able to move about Mt Hood and explore.

Again, that's not a shock. It would have been shocking had their headset not supported full VR experiences. Regardless, they never actually demoed that. Not that I noticed. So I was happy to have it confirmed.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Just because I don't have an interest in a device, that doesn't mean that I want it to fail.

You nailed it. I don't see myself picking up the Vision Pro. I'm super interested in VR, but my PC/Quest fills that role better for me at this time. So I really want to see them do well and re-define the whole market. But only so I can get a better Quest or whatever. I'm not saying I'll never be interested. I'm also not saying I wouldn't take one for free. But at this point, it holds little interest for me.

 

[Colstan]

Apple has already released a Vision product, multiple of them in fact, back in the 1990s.

Apple's Original Vision Products Were a Line of CRTs — 512 Pixels

The Apple Vision Pro may be ushering in the era of spatial computing, but like many other Apple products, it’s using a name steeped in history. Ok, steeped may be a little strong, but Apple has had other products with “vision” in their names over the years. Seven products, to be exact, and all...

512pixels.net

I can't wait for the new LaserWriter, it'll be perfect for the next Xserve.

 

[Citysnaps]

Apple has already released a Vision product, multiple of them in fact, back in the 1990s.

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Apple's Original Vision Products Were a Line of CRTs — 512 Pixels

The Apple Vision Pro may be ushering in the era of spatial computing, but like many other Apple products, it’s using a name steeped in history. Ok, steeped may be a little strong, but Apple has had other products with “vision” in their names over the years. Seven products, to be exact, and all...

512pixels.net

I can't wait for the new LaserWriter, it'll be perfect for the next Xserve.

Hah! I vaguely remember that. And the version without the speakers - 20" iirc, using a Sony Trinitron tube. Which I came close to buying. Couldn't afford it, though, leaving my decent paying aerospace engineering job to dabble in being a software developer, releasing one product, zCalc. Was fun while it lasted - which was short.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Doesn’t justify the price, but a possible unique purpose I could see this being good for is cooking, having the typed out recipe to scroll through or cooking video off to one side while you’re cooking. That puts everything in front of you at all times and you don’t have to be constantly washing and drying your hands so you don’t gum up your device screen or cook book. Throw up a movie or other video content when there is a break in the cooking process like waiting for water to boil or having something that needs to be stirred constantly or every couple minutes.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Doesn’t justify the price, but a possible unique purpose I could see this being good for is cooking, having the typed out recipe to scroll through or cooking video off to one side while you’re cooking. That puts everything in front of you at all times and you don’t have to be constantly washing and drying your hands so you don’t gum up your device screen or cook book. Throw up a movie or other video content when there is a break in the cooking process like waiting for water to boil or having something that needs to be stirred constantly or every couple minutes.

I tried to think of possible uses and cooking was the first thing to pop into my head too. Although I'd think you would want to avoid situations where you'd be getting grease splatters on it. I also thought of auto repair, but who would want a headset on in that situation? Maybe to get started, but not when you're under the vehicle. Woodworking on the other hand would be great because you'd already be wearing safety goggles.

 

[ArgoDuck]

I had prepared a more serious piece than what I eventually posted the other day, in which I reflected on my specific interest in the productivity aspect of Vision Pro. @theorist9 posted good, searching questions about this, which I share. But if Apple has the right answers, I can see this being the tool I’ve always wanted, and did know I needed

In a nutshell it comes down to this: my work flow depends on having many, many windows (academic sources, graphs, statistical results, code) open simultaneously and/or highly accessible. My mental flow works similarly

No desk nor several whiteboards have been enough, and for sure the 2 x 4K and 1 x 5K2K monitors I run on my desk (with liberal use of spaces) are not enough. What happens is a clumsy process that frustrates the flow going on in my head

Many years ago - I’m talking the late 1980s - I figured that long before now we’d talk to our computers and 3D windows would open and close around us, on demand

Suddenly, here it is…if Vision Pro is good enough!

There’s a thoughtful and detailed piece here from one of those who got to try it out. Some of his experience is supported by capabilities demonstrated in developer sessions. One that interested me a lot showed the developer writing with their finger into the Freeform app, and using eye gaze to move to different parts of the canvas where they continued writing

I find that pretty cool…

 

[dada_dave]

An interesting data point:


The other top videos were all ads too and Apple’s beat them in 9 days. May not translate to sales of course, but people are at least curious.