USA Election 2024

Not quite sure which part you are referring to data and research backing up, but if it's that people tend to vote their wallets, it's the opposite - at least not in the way people think of it. For instance, when pollsters asked people about policies disconnected from the politician people overwhelmingly supported Harris' policies over Trump's across all issues and Harris tied or bested him specifically on the economy as well. Given people voting their interested based on what the candidate is actually going to do in office, Harris should win in a landslide. She didn't because that's not fundamentally how people vote.

To be fair, in California and LA in particular our prices were already high relative to the nation and thus we didn't suffer the same kinds of price hikes like everyone else did. Of course a major reason for said price hikes nationally was avian flu amongst the bird population shortly after a pandemic amongst the human one, so if we're blaming parties or people for pandemics ... hmmm ... that doesn't really track suddenly. That's why he brings up prices disconnected from anything else. (Oh and record profits from major food processors and grocery stores who backed the Trump campaign, not Harris ... weird!)

The reality is presidents have run on worse economies and won handily - Reagan's "Morning in America" economy was worse in every conceivable respect with much higher poverty, much higher unemployment, and yes much higher inflation with much greater price increases and yet he ran on the strength of the economy and won by a huge margin in 1984. Hell it's why 538's model on the economy, fundamentals gave Harris an edge because these numbers have historically been really good ones to run on.



I'll be shocked if they didn't support Harris. As the above points to, conservatives like Herdfan have never cared about those who are struggling. Ever. And in fact those who are actually struggling have tended to break towards the Democrats by large margins including 2016 and 2020 and this will almost certainly be true in 2024 as well. Not all of them of course, but the majority of them and the worse off they are the larger the break towards the Democrats. And the ultra-left voting for Stein or staying home ... almost certainly didn't do so in enough numbers to matter. This is both a good and bad thing.

The education gap is not 1-1 with the economic gap. If you look at who Trump improved with most in 2024, it was men - primarily those without college degrees and white or consider themselves white. This last point is important as well, people have been wondering how Trump convinced Latino men to vote for him in greater numbers - a Latino pollster broke it down (I'll see if i can dig up the link). Basically the men pollsters group as Latino that Trump did the best with are evangelical Latinos and those that don't consider being Latino as part of their identity - i.e. you'll notice on a lot of forms that ask about race/ethnicity sometimes it isn't just that they ask if you are Hispanic, but non-white Hispanic. Pollsters don't always distinguish.

Trump didn't run on the economy, not really. Trump ran on grievance. Grievance is not, am I doing worse today than I was 4 years ago?, but am I mad about others doing better and my own perceived lack of standing or the threat to that standing socially and politically? This gets to what @Chew Toy McCoy posted above in the newsletter. This has been true since 2008 when a black man won the office of the President for the first time and created the Tea Party. The Tea Party was the forerunner of the Trump campaign. This allows people to say on a poll that the "Economy" is why they vote, but missing the nuance of what exactly that means. The economy isn't working for them ... relative to the groups they don't like seeing do well.

Again, living with the comfortable lies that its just tweaking this policy or this approach or its about pocketbooks so nonsensical. It ignores the deep divisions in race, ethnicity, gender, and rural/city cultural divide that supercharges the right wing and have been with us for a long time as a country. Something we desperately don't want to acknowledge, but we're going to have to if we're going to keep making improvements.

We have to get rid of the lies "it can't happen here" and "this isn't who we are". Yes it can, it just did, and yes we are.

I’ve been following Jerod Yates Sexton (author of the newsletter) for several years now on his podcast (The Muckraker) and have read his books which are on the history of the ruling class using the political systems, media, and religion to manipulate the masses to grow their own wealth and power. While there are some dire and scary personal circumstances to deal with now, it’s all a distraction to their greater project of more wealth and power which Trump will clearly accelerate. As long as we continue to look at each other instead of them things will never improve or get fixed. They will only get worse.
 
First thing Rump will do once in office is undo everything good that Biden did. He did the very same thing when following Obama's Presidency.


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I’ve been following Jerod Yates Sexton (author of the newsletter) for several years now on his podcast (The Muckraker) and have read his books which are on the history of the ruling class using the political systems, media, and religion to manipulate the masses to grow their own wealth and power. While there are some dire and scary personal circumstances to deal with now, it’s all a distraction to their greater project of more wealth and power which Trump will clearly accelerate. As long as we continue to look at each other instead of them things will never improve or get fixed. They will only get worse.

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
-Lyndon B. Johnson on his support for Civil Rights and anti-poverty programs and his hopes for how to change the dynamics of politics.

As true today as it was then.
 
I would love to be wrong, but I don’t see the world’s richest man and immigrant or the poster child for marble and golden palaces being able to relate to the plight of a middle-class or struggling blue collar worker. Or anyone else not worth way more than all of us combined and then times a million or so.

I would love to be wrong. How do you improve the literal, factual best economy in the world when half the country is insanely unhappy with it? We’re about to find out. But no matter what you think of the economy now, he’s going to be given the world’s best economy with a promise to improve on it. The people who moved to him will move right back if those promises aren’t kept.
 
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Not quite sure which part you are referring to data and research backing up, but if it's that people tend to vote their wallets, it's the opposite - at least not in the way people think of it. For instance, when pollsters asked people about policies disconnected from the politician people overwhelmingly supported Harris' policies over Trump's across all issues and Harris tied or bested him specifically on the economy as well. Given people voting their interested based on what the candidate is actually going to do in office, Harris should win in a landslide. She didn't because that's not fundamentally how people vote.

That's partly my point. It's not about the policies so much as it is a referendum on the administration and how people feel about their current lot. "Voting their wallet" isn't about looking at future policies, it's about looking back. Keep in mind Trump's mishandling of the pandemic is key to how we got Biden and Obama was helped by the 2008 crash. The fact that the government is in dysfunction and can't produce any coherent policy action due to deadlock (or just sheer incompetence) just means that no movement is happening on the front of improving the lives of voters. So we're basically seeing the same thing as 2020, where the guy in the WH gets the boot for the sake of change. The fact that you can correlate recessions with party changes in the federal government shows that our voting patterns are more simplistic than we would like them to be. While someone can reason about policies, when you look at aggregate behaviors, it's almost never about policy, it's a gut level reaction to the last ~6 months.

This still ties into what I say about stories. If you can tell a good enough story to get people to believe the economy is shit, they'll vote like it is. Even better if there's some truth to it because of a strong economy not trickling down to the workers.

I would love to be wrong. How do you improve the literal, factual best economy in the world when half the country is insanely unhappy with it? We’re about to find out. But no matter what you think of the economy now, he’s going to be given the world’s best economy with a promise to improve on it. The people who moved to him will move right back if those promises aren’t kept.

Exactly.

You could start by making the economy work for more people. But the party of "trickle down" seems to miss (deliberately or not) that the value gets given to the C-suite and shareholders (which are mostly institutional), rather than labor. So I'd be surprised if things improved much for anyone in the next 4 years except those who are already wealthy enough to be investing sums into the market to reap rewards as shareholders, assuming we don't see a bunch of volatility due to the proposed tariffs.
 
We should be under no illusions here, gay marriage and abortion will both become outlawed under this president and his House and Senate.
My guess for abortion is they won't move for an outright ban right away. Rather it'll be "to enforce state laws" like banning trying to travel to another state to get an abortion at the national level. That way they can still pretend to "leave it to the states". Of course this has massive implications for freedom of movement for women. Some states already try this, the difference would be the federal government enforcing it. They’ll also go after insurance providers to limit access and limit availability of contraceptives as well. Eventually if unchecked though they'll get to the national ban. If they go after gay marriage, again rather than outright bans at first they'll focus on carving out and enshrining exceptions and roadblocks. Truthfully, they'll go after trans people first - pass laws against trans people in bathrooms and sports, go after teens in puberty trying to transition and their doctors and parents. Gay marriage will be more difficult but they'll get there eventually and I could see the Supreme Court reversing its landmark cases on that.

That's partly my point. It's not about the policies so much as it is a referendum on the administration and how people feel about their current lot. "Voting their wallet" isn't about looking at future policies, it's about looking back. Keep in mind Trump's mishandling of the pandemic is key to how we got Biden and Obama was helped by the 2008 crash. The fact that the government is in dysfunction and can't produce any coherent policy action due to deadlock (or just sheer incompetence) just means that no movement is happening on the front of improving the lives of voters. So we're basically seeing the same thing as 2020, where the guy in the WH gets the boot for the sake of change. The fact that you can correlate recessions with party changes in the federal government shows that our voting patterns are more simplistic than we would like them to be. While someone can reason about policies, when you look at aggregate behaviors, it's almost never about policy, it's a gut level reaction to the last ~6 months.

This still ties into what I say about stories. If you can tell a good enough story to get people to believe the economy is shit, they'll vote like it is. Even better if there's some truth to it because of a strong economy not trickling down to the workers.
I guess I have a slightly darker take: people believe what they already want to believe. In other words ... it isn't that they believe the economy is shit because they've been bamboozled by a brilliant story. The story just has to be good enough to provide cover for what they already want to believe in. They want to believe that the economy is shit because if it isn't then their identity is under threat. This is fundamentally about the identity of white male America.

This isn't to say that 40+ years of wealth and media concentration hasn't dramatically destabilized our politics and society. It has and thus greatly contributed to our situation today, but we've moved beyond that to the point that we're dealing with a crisis of identity. And I contend that's what the focus on the "pocketbook" is missing. Yes people are upset with their leaders everywhere and we've seen shifts in government, including occasionally far right governments getting the boot due to economics and unhappiness. But overall, the far right is on the rise worldwide and continues to be so and it is for more than just economic anxiety. I mean ... we're not in a recession and the government is getting the boot.

Exactly.

You could start by making the economy work for more people. But the party of "trickle down" seems to miss (deliberately or not) that the value gets given to the C-suite and shareholders (which are mostly institutional), rather than labor. So I'd be surprised if things improved much for anyone in the next 4 years except those who are already wealthy enough to be investing sums into the market to reap rewards as shareholders, assuming we don't see a bunch of volatility due to the proposed tariffs.
Yeah shareholders getting tax breaks will be great for them, the proposed tariffs will hurt everyone else. Party of free market ...
 
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I’m guessing you had the same response when everyone said the Trump SCOTUS would never overturn Roe v Wade?

I’ll take your bet, I’ve never tried Pappy but you only live once. 🥂

No you are correct I did not see that happening.

It’s sooooo smooth. 😊
 
Did you read anything about the appeal’s court hearing? Justices didn’t seem convinced.


He was probably talking about the hush money case. They’re all probably dead. He’ll be over 80 when he’s wrapped up his term and if Americans re-elected him, the optics of dragging him into court would do more harm than good. That’s not an endorsement, but it’s reality. I want the country to work together more than to see what I consider to be justice in the courtroom. What I would hope to see is that we have something besides impeachment that is bi-partisan so that these kinds of things don’t happen again, and there will be a clear path forward if they do. They sort of did that with the VP role in counting the votes.

Sadly, I don’t think we’ll be seeing any of that. The upside is that this makes it much harder to try to exact revenge on Obama, Biden or Harris, unless the Supreme Court suddenly decide that this broad and vague presidential immunity only applies to odd-numbered presidential terms.
 
We have to get rid of the lies "it can't happen here" and "this isn't who we are". Yes it can, it just did, and yes we are.

There is a 1935 novel called It Can't Happen Here, which I still haven't read yet.
The premise described on Wikipedia sounds eerily familiar:
The novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a demagogue who is elected President of the United States, after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and "traditional" values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government via self-coup and imposes totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of European fascists such as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.

 
There is a 1935 novel called It Can't Happen Here, which I still haven't read yet.

There is also a book called The Prince by Nicolo Machiavelli, in which he correctly states that a despot's rule cannot be purely arbitrary but still requires the support of the ruled. If the situation becomes sufficiently difficult for the people, they will eventually topple the leader, as happened to Louis the High-Number. Granted, Hitler somehow managed to hang on until he had a chance to do his one good thing.
 
I guess it's time to re-release Land of Confusion and replacing Reagan with Trump (you don't even need a Spitting Image puppet for him):
 
There is a 1935 novel called It Can't Happen Here, which I still haven't read yet.
The premise described on Wikipedia sounds eerily familiar:
The novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a demagogue who is elected President of the United States, after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and "traditional" values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government via self-coup and imposes totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of European fascists such as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.

Aye as far as I know that is the origin or certainly the popularizing of the phrase and it was indeed meant mockingly in the book title. Unfortunately “it can’t happen here” is an idea both then and now that took root in the American psyche without the sarcasm. As for the content, yes we’ve understood for a long time exactly how exactly such an end would happen. We had plenty of examples both contemporary and historical. All the way back to the founding of the United States, the description of the kind of person they thought would destroy American democracy is practically Trump (although I’m sure they had thought the demagogue in question might be a little smarter).
 
I'll be shocked if they didn't support Harris. As the above points to, conservatives like Herdfan have never cared about those who are struggling. Ever. And in fact those who are actually struggling have tended to break towards the Democrats by large margins including 2016 and 2020 and this will almost certainly be true in 2024 as well.
So I was partially wrong: unlike 2016 and 2020, more disadvantaged voters did shift Trump’s way in 2024 where Trump was able to statistically tie Harris with voters earning under $50K and between $50-100K whereas previously Democrats won both both blocks handily. This is at least according to this one exit poll.

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(For exit polls difference of 1-2% are typically meaningless given the error and sample size and response bias)
 
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