USA Election 2024

[Herdfan]

I think Herdfan was right in that some people just vote with their wallet. We’d like to think more voters weigh things

But how is voting based on their wallet different than voting solely on abortion or because of a candidate’s skin color?

Everyone has their hot buttons and this year it was the economy. In four years it may be something else. The Harris campaign seemed to think abortion/women’s rights were the hot buttons but surveys showed it was below the economy, immigration and crime/safety. They chose wrong.

The one funny thing I saw last night was CNN cutting to a reporter in GA who had just heard from the SOS that there were 100k votes still to count and they would come in favoring Harris. But Trump was ahead by 118k. So Tapper and John King look stunned when she is trying to figure out if Harris can overtake Trump. They tried to stop her and explain it didn’t matter, but she was having none of it.

 

[rdrr]

But how is voting based on their wallet different than voting solely on abortion or because of a candidate’s skin color?

Everyone has their hot buttons and this year it was the economy. In four years it may be something else. The Harris campaign seemed to think abortion/women’s rights were the hot buttons but surveys showed it was below the economy, immigration and crime/safety. They chose wrong.

The one funny thing I saw last night was CNN cutting to a reporter in GA who had just heard from the SOS that there were 100k votes still to count and they would come in favoring Harris. But Trump was ahead by 118k. So Tapper and John King look stunned when she is trying to figure out if Harris can overtake Trump. They tried to stop her and explain it didn’t matter, but she was having none of it.

Yeah "funny"! Haha, and it is your exact response that shows me what selfish person you are. Let me ask you if the outcome had been reverse and the Dems were running on a platform that personally attacked your families safety and survival, whould you think a post such as yours would come across as a gracious winner.

 

[rdrr]

To all the Arab Americans and college students who couldn’t hold their nose and vote for Harris over Gaza, good luck on that with Trump. Muslims were the first on his hit list in his first term and his so called Middle East peace deal centered largely on getting those countries to forget about the Palestinians. I’m sure Isreal will accomplish great things in 4 years with the support and blessing of Trump. I guess the right can’t have all the dumbest shortsighted voters.

My prediction on the first 100 days.

• J6 Pardon
• Fedral Criminal cases dismissed
• State Criminal charges dropped
• Civil lawsuit penalties never heard from again.
• Ukraine will be gone.
• Gaza will be gone.
• Lebanon <- hopefully the Religious right wakes up and notes that there is a considerable Christian population there as opposed to Gaza's almost exclusive Muslim.
• Education system privatized
• VA and Medacare privatized
• Really don't know what will happen to Women's rights on a federal level but I am nervous about that.
• Immigration - ban on Musilum and "shithole" Hispanic countries. Not sure if the mass deportation in the first 100 days will happen but a deportation will start.
• Inflation and Unemployement will start to rise, but it won't be reported by MSM. The public will just start to notice things like prices and jobs being eliminated.
• All talk of lowering taxes on the middle class or exempting tips from SS and federal tax will *poof*
• Environment well... I think someone said it a few posts back. It was too late for that to be fixed. However I think our ultimate demise in 50 years or so will be cut in half at least.
• Trans and Gay rights, a severe pullback will start.
• After 100 days, Trump could step down and cash out his $DJT stock. Lets face it he looked tired and probably doesn't want to govern anyway. He could hand over the reins and have Vance blanket pardon him.

The last point is what I am hoping on, and that Vance will be a just a shitty 1 term president.

 

[GermanSuplex]

But how is voting based on their wallet different than voting solely on abortion or because of a candidate’s skin color?

I would vote for my immediate well-being over the cost of milk?

 

[Eric]

But how is voting based on their wallet different than voting solely on abortion or because of a candidate’s skin color?

I think the whole thing about voting for Kamala based on her skin color is pretty unfair from the right. In fact, I would argue the fact that she wasn't voted for meant the color of her skin was an issue, as well as her gender. Trump won 2 out of 3 elections, the only one he lost was to a man and I think that's the biggest takeaway here.

 

[Edd]

To all the Arab Americans and college students who couldn’t hold their nose and vote for Harris over Gaza, good luck on that with Trump. Muslims were the first on his hit list in his first term and his so called Middle East peace deal centered largely on getting those countries to forget about the Palestinians. I’m sure Isreal will accomplish great things in 4 years with the support and blessing of Trump. I guess the right can’t have all the dumbest shortsighted voters.

Driving around in a daze today I listened to public radio. A woman called in who’s 30 years old, Muslim (with family in Gaza), and queer. She voted for Jill Stein, because she couldn’t in good conscience vote for someone in this administration allowing Gaza to get plastered. But she’s also very frightened about Trump as a gay person. At least she can rest easy knowing Trump cares so much about brown people in shithole countries.

Another caller voted for Trump because of the economy, specifically citing his homeowner insurance premiums going up. No doubt in response to Trump’s victory, all those Florida home insurance policies will go cheaper than a pack of gum.

We can’t stop people from voting like idiots. The people voting on the economy aren’t going to get what they want, possibly the opposite, and would have done better under Harris. At least they can smile whenever Trump talks shit about libs.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

But how is voting based on their wallet different than voting solely on abortion or because of a candidate’s skin color?

Everyone has their hot buttons and this year it was the economy. In four years it may be something else. The Harris campaign seemed to think abortion/women’s rights were the hot buttons but surveys showed it was below the economy, immigration and crime/safety. They chose wrong.

The one funny thing I saw last night was CNN cutting to a reporter in GA who had just heard from the SOS that there were 100k votes still to count and they would come in favoring Harris. But Trump was ahead by 118k. So Tapper and John King look stunned when she is trying to figure out if Harris can overtake Trump. They tried to stop her and explain it didn’t matter, but she was having none of it.

A severe problem with our duopoly is sticking your head in the sand with your wallet (or whatever the pet issue is) and just assuming the other side will be better for whatever it is your face is mushed into that you don’t currently like. I predict the next election will be about an even shittier economy with a long list of related and unrelated damage that has been done.

 

[shadow puppet]

I can’t forget Trump saying “you’ll never have to worry about voting again “ out of my head.

 

[Herdfan]

I would vote for my immediate well-being over the cost of milk?

But what if the price of milk/food means your kids eat or don’t eat IS related your immediate well-being?

I will post more later on about my takeaways when I am on a real keyboard.

 

[Roller]

But how is voting based on their wallet different than voting solely on abortion or because of a candidate’s skin color?

Everyone has their hot buttons and this year it was the economy. In four years it may be something else. The Harris campaign seemed to think abortion/women’s rights were the hot buttons but surveys showed it was below the economy, immigration and crime/safety. They chose wrong.

The one funny thing I saw last night was CNN cutting to a reporter in GA who had just heard from the SOS that there were 100k votes still to count and they would come in favoring Harris. But Trump was ahead by 118k. So Tapper and John King look stunned when she is trying to figure out if Harris can overtake Trump. They tried to stop her and explain it didn’t matter, but she was having none of it.

I don't agree that the Harris campaign ignored the economy. There was lots of talk about her plans for child tax credits, assistance for small businesses and first-time homeowners, and specific ideas to reduce inflation, for example. But voters kept hearing how bad the economy is now and comparing it to the Trump years, ignoring ample evidence to the contrary. Same for crime, which was down during the Biden administration. Abortion was an important issue, but inclusion of state ballot initiatives ensuring access (for now) gave people license to vote for Trump and get what they wanted on abortion.

 

[Herdfan]

I can’t get Trump saying “you’ll never have to worry about voting again “ out of my head.

I think he means secure elections so you will be confident the votes will be counted accurately.

Every SOS in the nation should be sent to Florida. The third most populous state had 99% of ballots counted within 90 minutes.

 

[Herdfan]

Same for crime, which was down during the Biden administration.

Actually it wasn’t. FBI revised its stats in October.

https://amp.kansascity.com/opinion/article294112414.html

 

[shadow puppet]

I think he means secure elections so you will be confident the votes will be counted accurately.

Every SOS in the nation should be sent to Florida. The third most populous state had 99% of ballots counted within 90 minutes.

Nah. He recently said he should never have left the Whitehouse when Biden won. Trump loves Putin so I see a dictator in the making. That's a civil war waiting to happen. But everyone who voted for him doesn't seem to give a shit so they'll get to live with that.

 

[rdrr]

But what if the price of milk/food means your kids eat or don’t eat IS related your immediate well-being?

I will post more later on about my takeaways when I am on a real keyboard.

What if the vote the other way means your children’s future and physical safety are at ultimate risk?

I could give a rats ass about the cost of eggs and butter!

 

[Nycturne]

Went to bed at 2:30 AM, and had already seen the writing on the wall, especially when the call came in for Pennsylvania. As I turned out the light I was experiencing a nightmare even though I hadn't actually yet gone to sleep. I am angry, I am sad, I am frustrated and I feel a very deep loss for the hopeful future this country could have had.

You know how I learned of the Pennsylvania call? People setting off fireworks at around midnight locally. That’s where we are right now. We are not one nation shaping policy through debate, we are two teams fighting each other. It’s not a good place for a nation to be. And that was never going to change no matter how this went.

As a country we have a *lot* of work to do either way. So my thinking is to take a bit of time, process what happened, and be ready to get to work. That work isn’t going to wait for us.

I think Herdfan was right in that some people just vote with their wallet. We’d like to think more voters weigh things, but a lot of people just aren’t interested in any news or politics (and who can blame them) and were just as willing to toss him out as they were to re-elect him.

Everything else is white noise to them, for better and for worse. Perhaps this win will cause republicans to sit back and enjoy their victory, and cool off. I think Trump can choose to further erode faith in our institutions, but he may want to back off if he wants his two victories seen as legitimate (which they were, but so was 2020).

The data and research tends to back it up. The problem is that people are myopic and only indirectly connected to the complex entity that is the national/global economy. As others have mentioned, it’s a two party system, so the choice is to give to the other team when things *feel* bad, and give it to the current team when things *feel* good. This was the prevailing idea when I was taking civics classes 30 years ago, nothing has changed there, other than the corrosive ideas that our neighbors are our enemies.

But this is also the bit where while I can see Herdfan approaching the election rationally (at least from his worldview), that dispassionate approach to politics is disheartening. I called it as acting like he’s commenting on a sports game. And it’s something we’ve cultivated in this country during my lifetime. It’s not healthy or sustainable and leaves us vulnerable to some real rat bastards who are willing to take advantage of the fact that stories are powerful when power is given based on impressions and "vibes", and they can then use those stories to ossify the electorate to their benefit.

 

[Herdfan]

What if the vote the other way means your children’s future and physical safety are at ultimate risk?

I could give a rats ass about the cost of eggs and butter!

I understand what you are saying and why.

But if you can’t afford eggs to feed your kids today, does what might happen in the future matter?

 

[Eric]

Vanity Fair cover today.

 

[GermanSuplex]

But what if the price of milk/food means your kids eat or don’t eat IS related your immediate well-being?

I will post more later on about my takeaways when I am on a real keyboard.

A bit different than bleeding in a parking lot or being rejected from an ER because nobody wants to help. I’m a guy, I won’t have that problem unless they start trying to even the playing field, which they won’t.

I’m not saying people who vote a certain way because they’re having a rough go are wrong, I’m saying the two circumstances are of different urgency. Obviously, more people face grocery issues than pregnancy-related ones, but that doesn’t mean the two situations are the same.

Hey, we gave the power to the people who overturned Roe, so no matter how you vote, the pregnancy issue is strictly a female and healthcare one, which is way different than the costs of goods.

 

[Renzatic]

But if you can’t afford eggs to feed your kids today, does what might happen in the future matter?

The only way to drive down prices is to cull demand for an extended period of time, and wait for the market to readjust. This is what the cool kids call a prolonged recession, which, with Trump gearing up for another trade war even larger than what we saw during his first term, we could get!

Trump was voted in primarily upon the hype surrounding him. He has no plan, and the world is a much different place than it was during his 1st term.

 

[Roller]

Actually it wasn’t. FBI revised its stats in October.

https://amp.kansascity.com/opinion/article294112414.html

I'll see your link and I'll raise you one:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/30/politics/us-crime-statistics-fbi-2024/index.html

But, more importantly, doesn't any of this $hit scare you? You say you like small government, and I get that. But small government isn't going to solve big problems like pandemics. And RFK, Jr. running healthcare agencies like the CDC and FDA will have adverse repercussions across the board, including for you and your family.