I'm 100% for it. I have both a photo of my card and a QR code generated from my state in a Note on my iPhone. People want to feel safe and that's why I think many restaurants are doing it on their own (at least here in CA) without Government intervention.I figure they are coming. In one form or another.
Let's leave this, it's a topic that stands on its own.Did a search for them, but didn't find anything, so @Eric if there is another thread, please delete this one.
Easy peasy - and to think I was worried it would lead to Marxist troops marching down my street to take my guns but it turns out not.Another one pro vaccine passport. Mine are already digital in my UCLA health app. Pull it up and show it on my phone - no biggy.
As a temporary measure until the pandemic is at a less dire level, sure. Daily deaths from COVID are still too high for everything to "go back to normal" and we need to do what we can to prevent this disease from spreading.
But I don't think this should set a precedent for a future policy of showing vaccination information to participate in society.
You need ID to buy alcohol. You need ID to vote. You need a license and proof of insurance and auto registration to drive. You need a passport to travel… You have to take off your belt and shoes and let them go through your luggage and get body-scanned to board a flight… But OMG… let’s whine and cry about having to prove vaccination status?I see no problem with it. I carried one with me until I was in my 20’s. Showed all my immunizations from childbirth. Required for entry into every school I went to.
The “papers, please” rhetoric is absurd. Nobody is going to stop you at a traffic light and demand your vaccine passport. It will be your choice to not attend sporting events, entertainment, bars, or restaurants.
I figure they are coming. In one form or another.
Just for kicks, what are your thoughts beyond they're probably coming? You've almost certainly giving this topic more thought than I have, and you tend to see things from a different perspective than I usually do, so I'm curious what you think.
Can you imagine the cleaning involved? If I were the theater owner I would say definitely not. The unvaxxed have made their decision.Would there be a situation where say a movie theater has vaxxed days and unvaxxed days? Right now I am seeing the vaxxed be given privileges the unvaxxed don't have to attend concerts or possibly even hold a job.
Can you imagine the cleaning involved? If I were the theater owner I would say definitely not. The unvaxxed have made their decision.
As noted, we have had to have proof of vaccinations for many things over our lifetimes. So from that standpoint, I have no issue with it. And if it gets us back to normal, then even better.
However, I do see an interesting divergence from the left. No ID to vote because that's bad, but you have to show a VP to vote. On some level that makes no sense and is kind of hypocritical.
As the statistic I posted in the COVID STUPID thread, only 28% of Blacks in NYC are fully vaccinated. Right now that means that 72% of them can't go into a restaurant, or a movie or many other indoor activities. The number for Hispanics is 49%. A VP will bring similar restrictions to any number of people, so it needs to be accepted that people and in some case, groups of people along racial and ethnic lines, will be prohibited from lots of aspects of living. So from this standpoint I am against it.
Would there be a situation where say a movie theater has vaxxed days and unvaxxed days? Right now I am seeing the vaxxed be given privileges the unvaxxed don't have to attend concerts or possibly even hold a job.
There has to be a better way, but there also may not be. The next couple of years are going to be rough.
An interesting history lesson here: as @lizkat noted about the Polio vaccine in the 50's, it was all the rage, but the last case of Polio wasn't until 1979.
As the statistic I posted in the COVID STUPID thread, only 28% of Blacks in NYC are fully vaccinated. Right now that means that 72% of them can't go into a restaurant, or a movie or many other indoor activities.
As noted, we have had to have proof of vaccinations for many things over our lifetimes. So from that standpoint, I have no issue with it. And if it gets us back to normal, then even better.
However, I do see an interesting divergence from the left. No ID to vote because that's bad, but you have to show a VP to vote. On some level that makes no sense and is kind of hypocritical.
As the statistic I posted in the COVID STUPID thread, only 28% of Blacks in NYC are fully vaccinated. Right now that means that 72% of them can't go into a restaurant, or a movie or many other indoor activities. The number for Hispanics is 49%. A VP will bring similar restrictions to any number of people, so it needs to be accepted that people and in some case, groups of people along racial and ethnic lines, will be prohibited from lots of aspects of living. So from this standpoint I am against it.
Would there be a situation where say a movie theater has vaxxed days and unvaxxed days? Right now I am seeing the vaxxed be given privileges the unvaxxed don't have to attend concerts or possibly even hold a job.
There has to be a better way, but there also may not be. The next couple of years are going to be rough.
An interesting history lesson here: as @lizkat noted about the Polio vaccine in the 50's, it was all the rage, but the last case of Polio wasn't until 1979.
No issue at all. We can even have mobile ID vans to go around and make sure people have one.i don’t have an issue with requiring an ID to vote. I honestly don’t see what the big hurdle is in getting one, but if it’s poverty reasons and you have to be a citizen to vote, I can’t think of a valid reason an ID for those people shouldn’t be provided for free. Do you have an issue with that?
I could be wrong, but I think some states already do and it’s probably a safe bet that it’s not the states that are actively piling on more restrictive and right favoring voting laws.
On the voting thing I don't have a problem with ID to register, e.g. automatic registration when being issued a driver's license. But for my money signing the book at the polling place s/b good enough on election day when voting in person, signing the ballot-enclosure envelope for vote by mail likewise, and all the stuff about purging voter rolls without adequate notification is a crock. As for other forms of vote suppression, e.g. closing polling places where the vote lean is undesirable from the in-power group's point of view, and using as an excuse something like budget constraints, or trying to shut down vote by mail etc. just wrong. And that's before we get to the latest R move in some states, trying to make it possible to just override the vote if it doesn't turn out an R majority. Hope those laws, where passed, all land in court on a pre-emptive strike against a 14th amendment violation.
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