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No, the wheels are another $400 in addition to the frame. But it is a really sexy frame.That would cut into their $600 wheel sales.
No, the wheels are another $400 in addition to the frame. But it is a really sexy frame.That would cut into their $600 wheel sales.
Anyone get the feeling he’s grasping at straws?
We spent three weeks speculating on his "hallmark features" comment and then devising ways that Apple could implement upgradeable DIMMs, then he took that back. We spent another three weeks doing exactly the same after a similar comment about upgradeable graphics, and he's also taking that back.Who’d thunk it...
Another flip flop from Gurman. Now he’s saying no updatable ram or gpu.
No, I get the impression that he is doing this on purpose. He burned his best sources long ago, but still has some insider information, it's just not as detailed. So, he's stretching out his current sources by using vague terminology, where it isn't clear whether he is talking about the Mac Pro as a historical device, or the upcoming Apple Silicon Mac Pro.Anyone get the feeling he’s grasping at straws?
The only people who seriously thought those would be implemented are the slots crowd over at MR, who are still daydreaming over a new Xeon model.No gpus, no slotted RAM. As I figured.
I would note that he is using weasel words like "may lack user upgradeable GPUs", which suggests what we already know from the leaker on MR, that the drivers aren't there.
He's also speculating on the differentiation between the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro: "The big difference between a Mac Pro and a Mac Studio — in addition to M1 Ultra to M2 Ultra — should be performance from more cooling."
I really hope/think/wish that Apple will put out ASi GPGPUs at some point, the only way I can see for them to go beyond the compute/render power of the iGPU in the SoC...
I am going on the thought that the rumored six slot ASi Mac Pro may atch the slots in the 2019 Mac Pro, but with the slots between the MPX slots removed, leaving room for two ASi MPX GPGPUs without the wasted slots in between...
PCIe 4.0 seems reasonable, more than enough speed for GPGPUs & RAID cards...?
MPX portion of the slot would be there for additional power (because Apple does not like ugly cables), but no TB "foldback" needed since TB is in the SoC...
- Slot 1 - x4 - Audio I/O & DPS card
- Slot 2 - x4 - Audio I/O & DPS card
- Slot 3 - x8 - 8K video I/O card
- Slot 4 - x16 - 64TB RAID card with eight M.2 NVMe SSDs
- Slot 5 - x16 - ASi MPX GPGPU
- Slot 6 - x16 - ASi MPX GPGPU
I would think the biggest difference between the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro would be the PCIe slots...
More cooling means little unless the SoC is designed specifically for faster clocks and dependent upon said "more cooling"...
Come on Gurman, give us something REAL...!
Apple should have done something like this for the Mac Pro but with their own CPU IP:If they aren’t going to have upgradeable RAM or allow external GPUs, then they could have sold an M1 Ultra-based Mac Pro last year. It would have offered little benefit over Studio, though, because M1 frequency didn’t scalel. So it would have just been a Mac Studio in a bigger enclosure, with mostly-useless slots (or, at least, slots that offer little benefit over just plugging things into thunderbolt ports), and maybe swappable flash memory. That would have been a dumb product.
So if they release an M2 product, it offers a little more versus a (hypothetical) M2 Mac Studio. The frequency likely can scale higher than in the M2 Max 16” MBP, and so it may be higher than in the M2 Studio.
Still doesn’t make for much of a reason to buy an M2 Ultra Mac Pro instead of an M2 Ultra Mac Studio. So maybe (1) there won’t be an M2 Ultra Mac Studio. Or maybe (2) they will do something unexpected re: the CPU. (e.g. one of the things I listed above).
I think (2) is the answer. We’ll see.
That is a server/cluster config and I doubt Apple will build something that big. Are you just referring to the structure of having to connected CPUs? I think Apple might do something like that but is more likely to continue down the Ultra fusion route and try to have everything appear to be 1 chip with no NUMA.Apple should have done something like this for the Mac Pro but with their own CPU IP:
View attachment 21528NVIDIA Grace Superchip Features 144 Cores 960GB of RAM and 128 PCIe Gen5 Lanes
The NVIDIA Grace Superchip boasts 7.1 TFLOPS of FP64 performance peak with 144 cores, 960GB of LPDDR5X memory, and up to 128 PCIe Gen5 laneswww.servethehome.com
144 CPU cores(arm64)
960GB RAM
128 PCIe lanes Gen5
It's launching in 2023 and since it's nvidia and not Intel its possible it may come this year.
What do you guys think will Apple do this for M3 Extreme??
Of course Apple will have a CPU and GPU and NPU and various others things nomal M chips have.
yeah, so instead of CPUs it would be SoCs. That 960GB LPDD5 will be useful for some in a Mac Pro too. Apple has to have a big show and make a statement that Apple Sillcon can go big as well. After all the Mac Pro is their "halo" product.Are you just referring to the structure of having to connected CPUs?
I suspect if the extreme doesn’t come to the Pro in the M2 generation then it will come eventually because I fundamentally agree - simply a slightly tweaked Ultra with a PCIe slot that most won’t use without a GPU won’t cut it. The product would be a very hard sell. So as I think everyone here has noted and @Cmaier had some suggestions above … Apple would have to do *something* to justify the existence of the product.yeah, so instead of CPUs it would be SoCs. That 960GB LPDD5 will be useful for some in a Mac Pro too. Apple has to have a big show and make a statement that Apple Sillcon can go big as well. After all the Mac Pro is their "halo" product.
A Mac Pro with just an M2 ultra would be boring. Where is the innovation there??
I hope the answer is (2j. It’d be a shame if the studio was on hiatus even if only for one generation. I am fine with continual, gradual improvements.If they aren’t going to have upgradeable RAM or allow external GPUs, then they could have sold an M1 Ultra-based Mac Pro last year. It would have offered little benefit over Studio, though, because M1 frequency didn’t scalel. So it would have just been a Mac Studio in a bigger enclosure, with mostly-useless slots (or, at least, slots that offer little benefit over just plugging things into thunderbolt ports), and maybe swappable flash memory. That would have been a dumb product.
So if they release an M2 product, it offers a little more versus a (hypothetical) M2 Mac Studio. The frequency likely can scale higher than in the M2 Max 16” MBP, and so it may be higher than in the M2 Studio.
Still doesn’t make for much of a reason to buy an M2 Ultra Mac Pro instead of an M2 Ultra Mac Studio. So maybe (1) there won’t be an M2 Ultra Mac Studio. Or maybe (2) they will do something unexpected re: the CPU. (e.g. one of the things I listed above).
I think (2) is the answer. We’ll see.
Why do you say the slots are useless? I'm recalling @mr_roboto 's post in which he linked this video:If they aren’t going to have upgradeable RAM or allow external GPUs, then they could have sold an M1 Ultra-based Mac Pro last year. It would have offered little benefit over Studio, though, because M1 frequency didn’t scalel. So it would have just been a Mac Studio in a bigger enclosure, with mostly-useless slots (or, at least, slots that offer little benefit over just plugging things into thunderbolt ports), and maybe swappable flash memory. That would have been a dumb product.
Why do you say the slots are useless? I'm recalling @mr_roboto 's post in which he linked this video:
Essentially, the slots allowed the user to go from this:
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to this:
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Why do you say the slots are useless? I'm recall @mr_roboto 's post in which he linked this video:
Sonnet does have a 3-card TB box for $1100, so if you needed to plug in eight (?) cards like in the picture, that would be three boxes for $3300. But that doesn't seem like a clean solution compared to plugging them directly into the machine; plus I've read complaints these PCIe TB boxes use small fans and are noisy.I said “mostly” useless. Certainly the vast majority of cards plugged into Mac Pros are graphics cards. And if those won’t work, then, for most people, those slots aren’t very useful.
Moreover, most of the remaining types of cards that WOULD work would work just as well as thunderbolt devices or in a thunderbolt PCI enclosure. The number of cards that require the full speed of a slot solution and which aren’t GPUs is pretty small.
Sonnet does have a 3-card TB box for $1100, so if you needed to plug in eight (?) cards like in the picture, that would be three boxes for $3300. But that doesn't seem like a clean solution compared to plugging them directly into the machine; plus I've read complaints these PCIe TB boxes use small fans and are noisy.
Echo III Desktop (3 PCIe slots for full size cards)
Desktop Thunderbolt 3 adapter box with three PCIe expansion slots for audio, video, fibre, RAID and ethernet PCIe cards.www.sonnetstore.com
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