The Election Day Thread

[Eric]

PA will deliver. Trump knows it which is why he’s suing.
The disagreement between news outlets over AZ is interesting. Fox and the WSJ called it hours ago and MSNBC won’t budge.

Same with CNN, although the AP did call it. I get the apprehension, those that called it did so with 200,000 still to count in a traditionally red state, that takes a set of balls IMO.

 

[JayMysteri0]

Just a reminder, this stupidity was intentional.
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324349677660184585/

 

[lizkat]

Down-ballot great news from Georgia for Dems: two Black sheriff candidates won their elections in high-population counties, and will likely then halt cooperation w/ ICE as promised during campaigns.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324115650177048577/

 

[Alli]

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[User.45]

PA will deliver. Trump knows it which is why he’s suing.
The disagreement between news outlets over AZ is interesting. Fox and the WSJ called it hours ago and MSNBC won’t budge.

Not that straight forward... Even though the reported proportion of mail-ins is about 80% Biden 20% Trump, these data are from a limited number of counties and may not be representative to PA. That said, if I count with a net 20% favor for Biden in the remaining votes, that would mean a 4-digit lead/win for Biden.

So it's not lost, but you have to make heavy adjustments based on data that isn't great.

 

[Alli]

Not a one of those supporters cares about the other side. We need to take care of those that voted for Biden-Harris and move this country forward after so many steps backwards.

Edit: I don't think even the most level headed of US Americans realise what a disturbing image that is to people outside the US.

It is a disturbing image to those of us in the US.

 

[User.45]

Even without the mail-in factor, whatever Trump could rake in from Mohave is offset by Maricopa. I consider Biden the winner of AZ.

 

[User.45]

It's frustrating that Nevada hasn't been processed for a while. Here Biden is projected to increase his edge, and I didn't even have to consider the mail-in factor.

I'll call NV for Biden.

 

[User.45]

Guys, I think we can call it:

Bye-Don!

Also, I share the disappointment about the Senate but the more I think about it the less sad I am. As I said before, America is in an abusive relationship with Trump. The first thing is to move away from him, and things will become clearer for many. Some stated the senate is even more important than the presidency, but it's not true. If Dems had the Congress and the Senate, Trump would play the victim 24/7 and would still try to bypass all the checks and balances. So while it is a set back not to have the Senate, next midterms will have 20 Republican and 12 Democrat seats up. It will be much easier to flip that 1 or 2 godforsaken seats when people realize 2 years into a BIden presidency, that nobody became a Communist, and no republican have the platform of the presidency to misinform the people.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Apologies, but I'm asking as a very naive European:

Is this man a policeman?

What goes on inside that man's head? What is he really, really thinking as he stands there…

Why bring a gun in to an emotional, fraught atmosphere?

Why bring a gun?

Edit: I don't think even the most level headed of US Americans realise what a disturbing image that is to people outside the US.


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I don’t have as much of a problem with the diehard Trump supporters as I do with the rest of Class A moral delinquents that voted for him, which is a disturbingly high percentage of the population.

Let’s say the shoe was on the other foot and Qanon was actually a thing instead of pedophile fan fiction and a sitting Democrat President inspired pedophiles to come marching out of the darkness. Sure they like to congregate right at the 100 yard from an elementary school mark with their hands down their pants, but that’s not really why they are there. They are there to protest the lack of job opportunities for pedophiles. You really think the right would give some kind of “But that’s not really who we are” statement a pass as a reason to keep that President in office?

Trump attracts and emboldens racists, white supremacists, anarchist militias, grifters, criminals, bullies, liars, and hypocrite Christians who think the Bible is little more than The Little Fetus Who Could. “But that’s not really who we are”. Fuck off.

 

[Arkitect]

Same with CNN, although the AP did call it. I get the apprehension, those that called it did so with 200,000 still to count in a traditionally red state, that takes a set of balls IMO.

BBC still hedging bets at 243
Lef(ish) Press Guardian, Mirror is with 264
Right Wing Press, Telegraph, Sun, Daily Mail etc not showing any tracker on their sites. Just Covid Denialism and underlying reporting of "Trump FTW!"

Edit: Clarity

 

[User.45]

BBC still hedging bets at 243
Lef(ish) Press Guardian, Mirror is with 264
Right Wing Press, Telegraph, Sun, Daily Mail etc not showing anything on their sites. Just Covid Denialism and underlying reporting of "Trump FTW!"

Good for them. In reality, this is where we are:

The only place that will have a legit recount is Georgia.

 

[iMi]

2020 will end up as another election where the details on polling errors will prove hard to sort out. Covid-19 has thrown a lot of random disruptions into people's lives and their reactions will sometimes have been enough to flip originally intended or predictable votes.

We're never going to know all the reasons for votes that ended up tipping this CD or keeping that one red or blue, most likely. The map of drift is multicolored and to me inexplicable ths time around (another suggestion that covid spikes and lockdown variances etc have had a lot to do with it). So to that extent another anomalous election like that of 2016 but over different factors.

Hard for pollsters to extrapolate anything useful from it with a high degree of confidence. They'll try for it one more time next time and may mess up yet again but even if they don't, who's going to take them seriously up front next time?? We do need to have better insight into how we all think and feel and we're not going to get that from hanging out in our siloes and echo chambers. Public opinion polls matter but by god these turned out way off outside margins of error again.

The “shy Trump voter” phenomena is likely the best explanation. There are a lot of people who recognize just how awful of a person he is and don’t want to openly support him, but behind the scenes they do because of some issue that matters to them — racist views, abortion, religion, etc.

 

[User.45]

I think we do. Fuck this guy and his little penis.

Okay; great answer.

I apologize...I usually prefer to express things in a more considerate way. This guy is just an epitome of fragile masculinity. He notices that he is finally taken seriously once he poses with his weapon and since a form of perceived respect comes instantaneously with this pose, you can just tell that this guy is not someone who will work hard to actually earn respect. I really dislike posers in general, but when the posing happens with a device designed to murder fellow humans, then it elicits an extra level of contempt from me.

 

[JayMysteri0]

For Frik Sake
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324331937385848835/

The desperation is starting to pick up

 

[User.45]

The “shy Trump voter” phenomena is likely the best explanation. There are a lot of people who recognize just how awful of a person he is and don’t want to openly support him, but behind the scenes they do because of some issue that matters to them — racist views, abortion, religion, etc.

I have to agree. If you think about it, the best quality surveys are the ones that are done through the phone. If these people want to keep this on the down low, they will be more likely to give no or false info when they can be overheard. So moral of the story is that this phenomenon exists overall. However, pollsters compensated the shit out of their data to adjust for this and after all, it worked.

I have to add that I've met two kinds of bad person in my life. One that is unaware that they are malignant, and the other type is well aware but it matches their self-perception. I'd say that the "shy" trump voter belongs in the latter category.

 

[Thomas Veil]

What is going on in NV? I mean no update at all for over a day? Something smells fishy there,

I don’t think so.

https://www.vox.com/21551079/live-results-nevada-inches-closer-to-finishing-its-vote-count

 

[lizkat]

I turned on CNN and they were asking a Democrat why they didn't win as big as they thought they would and they had zero election updates since yesterday so I just turned them off. So tired of cable news right now.

I swear cable news channels have some song in a loop in the production control room...

"... and to fill these empty hours... longing for something new...."​

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Came to the realization in the past couple days that perhaps it wasn't the commericals on TV after all which had landed my 13" model in the e-cycle bins a long time ago. It was the cable news shows struggling to fill an infinite news hole with events of even an extraordinary day.

 

[JayMysteri0]

For some, the 'fun' continues

Republican Kelly Loeffler and Democrat Raphael Warnock advance to Georgia Senate runoff

After a close matchup, neither candidate garnered more than 50 percent of the vote.

www.vox.com

Georgia’s special Senate election is headed to a runoff, after Reverend Raphael Warnock did not clear Georgia’s 50 percent threshold for victory in his bid to unseat incumbent Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler.

Loeffler has not had an easy time the past few months thanks to the state’s “jungle primary” system, where candidates from all parties compete in an initial round, and if no candidate wins a majority, the top two head to a runoff. Rather than focusing on her main Democratic opponent, she had to fend off a conservative challenge from Rep. Doug Collins, a staunch Trump ally who kept the incumbent from moderating her message.

An October 20 New York Times/Siena College poll showed Warnock leading both Republicans at 32 percent, with Loeffler getting 23 percent of Republican support compared to 17 percent for Collins.

“[Warnock] is opening a lead over either of the Republicans,” University of Georgia political science professor George Bullock previously told Vox, largely because Loeffler and Collins were splitting the Republican vote: “If you add the vote for those two together, it comes close to equalling the vote for Perdue and the vote for Trump.”

This woman needs to go

For their part, Democrats tried to persuade Matt Lieberman (the son of Joe Lieberman) to drop out of the race. But even as he’s polled in the low single-digits, Lieberman refused.

Loeffler’s gamble that running to the right would fend off Collins’s challenge without letting Democrats clear the threshold for outright victory has paid off. Now that Loeffler has beaten Collins, she’s free to face Warnock on potentially more favorable turf. A January runoff could make it difficult for Democrats to replicate the historically high turnout of a presidential election.


But Loeffler may not be able to pivot as cleanly as she might like to. Appointed by Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp in 2019, Loeffler was chosen to help Republicans turn the tide of suburban women running away from the GOP. This year, desperately trying to hold on to her seat, she abandoned that moderate mantel, seeking the endorsement of presumptive conservative Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is best known for espousing QAnon conspiracy theories.

Two and a half weeks before the election, Greene endorsed Loeffler, highlighting the senator’s criticism of Black Lives Matter which the incumbent has called a “Marxist effort” and praising her as “the most conservative Republican in the race.”

Warnock’s candidacy, meanwhile, struck a national chord this summer as Black Lives Matter protests brought his work as the senior pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church to the forefront. This is the same church where Martin Luther King Jr. served as pastor in the 1960s.

Issues of racial justice are not just “theoretical” to him, Warnock told Vox. One of his early ads was about his experience at age 12 of being dragged out of a store and accused of shoplifting, simply for having his hands in his pockets.

Side note: Really dems? By now you haven't realized dealing in ANY way with a Lieberman gets you shanked in the back?! C'mon! History. Learn it. Don't repeat it. Doom!

 

[lizkat]

If the Trump administration actually paid attention to this department, they'd probably halt its twitter account because it's so factual, educational and entertaining at the same time. On the other hand if they read this particular tweet they'd probably accuse the damn grosbeaks of stealing votes and distributing them to Biden in key states Trump needed to win.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324366836280995841/