The Election Day Thread

[iLunar]

DailyKos headline:
Whatever happens next, Americans are pretty sure they want to be stoned when it does

(several cannabis legalization measures passed)

Legal cannabis is one of the best grass-roots movements to happen to the US in a century. I've worked with a few great folks in the industry, and they are beyond committed to local progress. I think the Democratic party could learn a lot from them in reaching out to entrenched red states.

 

[rdrr]

Just watched another scary video of Trump supporters shouting and demand access to the AZ polling place. How the heck do these folks know where the votes are being counted?

 

[Joe]

At this point, I am thinking Biden will ultimately carry PA and possibly GA. This may be a repeat of 2018 and not 2016.

You all know how I feel about Trump and his supporters, but it's undeniable that they have spoken up. I don't believe they are all racists, hateful bigots. Something else is going on. It's time for Democrats to listen. Just listen. What is driving them? It doesn't mean we concede on social justice, racial equality or women's health issues. It just means, listen... listen to what is going on with that population. Find common ground. We have to somehow heal this nation. Biden is the ideal person to do this, so I am hopeful.

Fox News has spent so much time scaring these people and lying. They are legit scared that Biden is coming for them. My mom was talking to her neighbor this morning. Her neighbor is an older Hispanic lady that lives off social security and she told my mom she hopes Trump wins because Biden is going to take away her SS

Republicans lie to win. They’ll do anything to win. Dems need to stay on guard no matter what. Because Republicans aren’t going away this easy.

 

[lizkat]

At this point, I am thinking Biden will ultimately carry PA and possibly GA. This may be a repeat of 2018 and not 2016.

You all know how I feel about Trump and his supporters, but it's undeniable that they have spoken up. I g don't believe they are all racists, hateful bigots. Something else is going on. It's time for Democrats to listen. Just listen. What is driving them? It doesn't mean we concede on social justice, racial equality or women's health issues. It just means, listen... listen to what is going on with that population. Find common ground. We have to somehow heal this nation. Biden is the ideal person to do this, so I am hopeful.

2020 will end up as another election where the details on polling errors will prove hard to sort out. Covid-19 has thrown a lot of random disruptions into people's lives and their reactions will sometimes have been enough to flip originally intended or predictable votes.

We're never going to know all the reasons for votes that ended up tipping this CD or keeping that one red or blue, most likely. The map of drift is multicolored and to me inexplicable ths time around (another suggestion that covid spikes and lockdown variances etc have had a lot to do with it). So to that extent another anomalous election like that of 2016 but over different factors.

Hard for pollsters to extrapolate anything useful from it with a high degree of confidence. They'll try for it one more time next time and may mess up yet again but even if they don't, who's going to take them seriously up front next time?? We do need to have better insight into how we all think and feel and we're not going to get that from hanging out in our siloes and echo chambers. Public opinion polls matter but by god these turned out way off outside margins of error again.

 

[lizkat]

Just watched another scary video of Trump supporters shouting and demand access to the AZ polling place. How the heck do these folks know where the votes are being counted?

Location of Boards of Election are not secret... and neither are relocations or rented extensions arranged for to allow for processing ununusal numbers of mailed ballots.

What's of more interest to me is how much these things seem like the staged disruptions of House members on the GOP side during the Trump impeachment -- over routinely acceptable stuff like the House Judiciary Committee holding depositions behind closed doors. But the fricken GOP members were making a scene about it for media consumption, as if the procedures were out of order or meant to intimidate witnesses.

So sick of Republican gotchas and the projections of their own behavior onto Dems.

It's true that there are some peaceful but noisy and annoying leftie demos taking place now here and there in Minnesota and NYC... even though Biden asked people to remain patient and let the counts be completed... but I never want to hear a Republican whining about such demos with all these videos in the can of Rs actually harassing vote-counting clerks in local boards of election.

 

[ronntaylor]

I don't care if Mango voters are racist or not. They voted for an open racist. I don't need to listen to their BS or anxiety. All this talk about "white working class" when African Americans and Latino Americans are more likely to be working poor. Hell, there are large segments of Asian American populations that are in poverty/working poor. We would never excuse their racism. We would never tolerate their justified anxiety in the face of the hard path they have to navigate.

Not a one of those supporters cares about the other side. We need to take care of those that voted for Biden-Harris and move this country forward after so many steps backwards.

 

[rdrr]

Location of Boards of Election are not secret... and neither are relocations or rented extensions arranged for to allow for processing ununusal numbers of mailed ballots.

Good to know... Thank you for the education. I guess it never occured to me to go down to the place the votes are counted and create a major ruckus if my candidate wasn't winning. Took my lumps and drank my sorrows away in 2000, 2004, and 2016.

 

[JayMysteri0]

Do we have the official picture of a bag of dicks to post on MR yet?

Any of the 'usual suspects' that brayed loudly for 45 & owning libs NOW...

"Who is this 45th president you speak of?"

"EVERYBODY knows I didn't vote for THAT GUY."

Optional: "I'm from Canada."

"Why would you show me this picture of a parcel of penises?"

 

[lizkat]

I don't care if Mango voters are racist or not. They voted for an open racist. I don't need to listen to their BS or anxiety. All this talk about "white working class" when African Americans and Latino Americans are more likely to be working poor. Hell, there are large segments of Asian American populations that are in poverty/working poor. We would never excuse their racism. We would never tolerate their justified anxiety in the face of the hard path they have to navigate.

Not a one of those supporters cares about the other side. We need to take care of those that voted for Biden-Harris and move this country forward after so many steps backwards.

The MAGAts are noisy way beyond proportion in population, that's for sure. I don't know what to make of them really short of what's in that Altemeyer and Dean book about authoritarian followers.

The other Trump voters are the ones I don't excuse. The cynics and compartmentalizers. I mean like the traders who live out in Nassau or Suffolk County where the vote for Trump can run 2-1... they're not the working poor of America out there, they are mostly white, male, pretty well off and they're all about I've got my tax cut and dereg Jack so don't tread on me.

How do they justify voting to elevate a guy with the character of a Donald Trump to our highest elective office and now not once but twice? They have GFs or wives, daughters or grandkids, may have diverse extended families and yet tacitly approve the Trump way with women and racial or religious minorities as legitimate behavior.

I don't get it. You can vote for a Republican Congress and still say no to an unsuitable Republican executive. And this guy Trump? He would have been fired inside of a week on the job if he were CEO of a publicly held company of some size in the USA. Yet we have corporate officers of American companies likely choosing to vote for him because the siren call of tax cuts and deregulation is too strong, so character and principle don't matter any more? Maybe especially after four years of watching Trump and Trump's GOP prove it.

Joe Biden is gonna have his work cut out for him turning this country's attitudes and general belief systems around w/ respect to what we should expect from government and probably from media as well. We've been gaslighted half to death by Trump and the party that allowed him to hijack them, and the media outlets have played along, too... because the surreality of a Trump reality show based in the White House has made for some pretty compelling TV, no? Some of those media folks have been phoning it in for a long time and are going to have to sober up behind Joe Biden in the White House.

 

[lizkat]

Good to know... Thank you for the education. I guess it never occured to me to go down to the place the votes are counted and create a major ruckus if my candidate wasn't winning. Took my lumps and drank my sorrows away in 2000, 2004, and 2016.

Post of the day... maybe the week. i don't get that abuse of the vote counters either.

 

[ronntaylor]

Joe Biden is gonna have his work cut out for him turning this country's attitudes

I almost wish Joe loss. He's going to inherit a horrible situation. And with 75+ days left in his term, Mango will probably add to the S pile. And don't let me start on what happens if/when McConnell remains Senate Majority Leader. Biden-Harris have their work cut for themselves. Before they realize it, it's time to the 2024 run.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Jesus, fuck. Still no call on Alaska. Let me guess. Biden! Fuck off.

Is there a Palin mother/daughter porno on the ballot we're not aware of in the lower 48? Then I could understand the delay.

 

[Huntn]

The Day After:
Any see the Trump idiots demanding to swarm the Maricopa, Arizona vote counting facility, so they can make sure the election is not being stolen? So far the police are keeping them out. Some of them brought long guns. I blame the Head Shit Head for this. Go to your local polling place, just barge in and demand to monitor. Plus, If I lose, the election was stolen!!

1AM US Central Time, is this accurate? One more state for the win?

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[Edd]

I just woke at 1am and things seem a bit better than when I passed out. Just took an Ambien and hoping for more good news when I wake. Should have just voted absentee and slept this whole week.

 

[Arkitect]

Apologies, but I'm asking as a very naive European:

Is this man a policeman?

What goes on inside that man's head? What is he really, really thinking as he stands there…

Why bring a gun in to an emotional, fraught atmosphere?

Why bring a gun?

Edit: I don't think even the most level headed of US Americans realise what a disturbing image that is to people outside the US.

 

[Edd]

Apologies, but I'm asking as a very naive European:

Is this man a policeman?

What goes on inside that man's head? What is he really, really thinking as he stands there…

Why bring a gun in to an emotional, fraught atmosphere?

Why bring a gun?

Edit: I don't think even the most level headed of US Americans realise what a disturbing image that is.


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He brought it to be intimidating. If he could find his way towards being involved in a justified shooting well, it’ll be like Christmas came early this year.

 

[Edd]

Two differnt articles I’ve just read put Biden at 264 electoral votes. I’m assuming they’re including Arizona in that but only the AP has called that race at all, and they called it for Joe.

Dont see how Trump hits 270 at this point. There’d have to be multiple recounts.

 

[Edd]

It’s hard to find info on Nevada right now. It looks like Joe hits 270 if he takes the state. That’s without PA and GA. Today could be it, regardless of Trump tantrums.

 

[User.45]

Bright side info: My first-term Dem congress critter was re-elected in a conservative district that is otherwise going for Trump roughly 2-1 again.

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YEAH!

Have you heard his wife's story? Pretty interesting (https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/little-white-lie/). It maybe awkward/uncomfortable for some, but I enjoyed it a lot because some aspects reminded me of my childhood.

 

[User.45]

It’s hard to find info on Nevada right now. It looks like Joe hits 270 if he takes the state. That’s without PA and GA. Today could be it, regardless of Trump tantrums.

I think we have a new term:
Trumper tantrum!