Will Kevin McCarthy become Speaker?

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GermanSuplex said:
What happens if a crisis suddenly hits? Do you trust this upcoming congress to get their shit together and handle it? I don’t. This is supposed to be the easy part. Problems in the Republican caucus should have been hashed out before now.
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This vote is unique in that it requires a set number. Other votes simply require a majority.

And yes, they should have been hashed out before, but I doubt McCarthy believed he was going to get this much pushback. He needs to remove himself from consideration and let Donalds become Speaker.
 
Herdfan said:
This vote is unique in that it requires a set number. Other votes simply require a majority.

And yes, they should have been hashed out before, but I doubt McCarthy believed he was going to get this much pushback. He needs to remove himself from consideration and let Donalds become Speaker.
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False. The vote for Speaker simply requires a majority.
 
I’ve been out of the loop for a couple of days but it sounds like the same people are voting over and over and over and somehow expecting a different result at some point? Not a joke, serious question.

If nothing else I think we can expect to see some changes made to this process in the future.
 
Herdfan said:
This vote is unique in that it requires a set number. Other votes simply require a majority.

And yes, they should have been hashed out before, but I doubt McCarthy believed he was going to get this much pushback. He needs to remove himself from consideration and let Donalds become Speaker.
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So the months-long story about it being unknown if McCarthy would be able to muster the votes wasn't "fake news"? Because if McCarthy didn't think he'd get this much pushback, it shows how inept he is and why he's not fit to be leader. It wasn't exactly a secret that it was more than a possibility this could happen.

The question is, can anyone lead the caucus better by capitulating to the same people who have pushed the GOP to this point in the first place? I do understand why you don't want McCarthy and why you want some of the changes the hardliners are proposing. In fact, the liberal media has also said they make good points. But other than blanket policy points (border, inflation, etc.), I haven't heard many specific proposals from these folks. This seems more like an attempt to burn the place down rather than make meaningful changes to make government more transparent. Tearing down oversight and the FBI won't help. How can we clean up Washington when we accuse the departments (both sides do it) of weaponization?

McCarthy is going to give away everything. Government is dysfunctional, but I don't see how giving these far-right folks everything they want will make things more functional, more bipartisan, etc.

If republicans band together and elect McCarthy or someone else, and the Freedom Caucus calms down and things start getting done, I will be pleasantly surprised and even cheerlead the worst of the bunch if they participate. Some of the far-right have claimed to want to work with dems to get stuff done, and vowed to prove they can get things done. But I'll believe it when I see it.

As for Donalds, he probably has a DeSantis-like appeal for conservatives. But he's a rookie and its hard for me to envision him doing better than McCarthy, but I suppose he can't be any worse. I can't hold being young, relatively new to congress against him because both sides often say we should "shake things up" by pushing younger folks over establishment folks. Of course, I also don't inexperienced people who can't govern either. I think a big part of McCarthy's problem is he went straight from a rookie into leadership in a term or two, and immediately set himself up for Speaker. He's been around a few years, but never had to follow the path of people like McConnell and Pelosi of gaining the experience before taking reigns of leadership. It's hard to see another anointed rookie handling the caucus any better than Boehner, Ryan or McCarthy.
 
Eric said:
I’ve been out of the loop for a couple of days but it sounds like the same people are voting over and over and over and somehow expecting a different result at some point? Not a joke, serious question.

If nothing else I think we can expect to see some changes made to this process in the future.
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Here's the latest on what's with the "Gang of 20" holdouts.... the vote to adjourn last night was quite telling. It's more like the "gang of 4" when the true barn-burners are sorted out. From the Washington Post (paywall removed)



“They all have different concerns,” said Rep.-elect Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.), a moderate McCarthy ally. “We’re finding that having smaller group discussions is much more productive.”

The 19 Republicans who refused to vote for McCarthy have voted as a bloc in the six rounds of balloting so far, adding Donalds to their ranks on the third ballot and Rep.-elect Victoria Spartz (R-Ind.), who voted “present,” on the fourth.

But they split on the vote to adjourn Wednesday night, which McCarthy and his allies supported. Just four of them — Rep.-elect Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), Rep.-elect Eli Crane (R-Ariz.), Boebert and Gaetz — opposed it.

Fitzpatrick saw it as a positive sign. “That tells you a lot,” he said. “Everybody else is willing to talk and try to get something done.”
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It's too late to distinguish amongst them if you ask me. Six moderate Rs with spine should show McCarthy what that means and vote to elect Jeffries on the next round. Forget all those rule changes offered up by a self-serving wannabe "leader" McCarthy. Put the tail of the dog back on the rear of the critter and move on to the business of the people. McCarthy should have been negotiating with Democrats anyway, not the 20 holdouts. What was he thinking. Almost half the house is Democrats and he's kowtowing to a handful of right wingers who are now thoroughly despised even by the rest of their own conference?
 
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Eric said:
I’ve been out of the loop for a couple of days but it sounds like the same people are voting over and over and over and somehow expecting a different result at some point? Not a joke, serious question.

If nothing else I think we can expect to see some changes made to this process in the future.
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In Sweden this would have been over by now. The speaker of the Riksdag (the Swedish Parliament) needs more than half of the votes to be elected (if there is more than one candidate) in round one or two. If a third round is required, only the two candidates who received the most votes in the second round are eligible and the one with the most votes in the third round will be elected. Tied? Draw lots.

The Prime Minister and their Government on the other hand is a different story for a different time. 😆
 
Pumbaa said:
In Sweden this would have been over by now. The speaker of the Riksdag (the Swedish Parliament) needs more than half of the votes to be elected (if there is more than one candidate) in round one or two. If a third round is required, only the two candidates who received the most votes in the second round are eligible and the one with the most votes in the third round will be elected. Tied? Draw lots.

The Prime Minister and their Government on the other hand is a different story for a different time. 😆
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Hmm, that's a good system. Would require real negotiation, feedback and planning ahead of time, or else you risk giving it all up. Some states have voting procedures for various leadership roles or elected offices, and it does well to keep things organized and prevents circuses like this - you either collectively decide or you leave it to chance.
 
GermanSuplex said:
So the months-long story about it being unknown if McCarthy would be able to muster the votes wasn't "fake news"? Because if McCarthy didn't think he'd get this much pushback, it shows how inept he is and why he's not fit to be leader. It wasn't exactly a secret that it was more than a possibility this could happen.
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There is knowing something and believing something. I really don't think he realized just how strong the opposition to him was.

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Pumbaa said:
In Sweden this would have been over by now.
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Well somehow I don't think that this USA contest is going to end up taking 133 votes. I could be wrong, but money does talk.

From running commentary in the NYT this morning (Luke Broadwater Jan. 5, 2023, 10:08 a.m.)
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Chew Toy McCoy said:
I think Joe Walsh (former tea party congressman) had the best analysis. It doesn’t really matter who the speaker is because essentially they are going to be a sock puppet for MTG.
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Interesting you mentioned him, because I just saw a quote of his where he nails it and I thought to myself "Wow. Hard to believe a decade ago, THIS guy was considered the fringe".
 
GermanSuplex said:
Interesting you mentioned him, because I just saw a quote of his where he nails it and I thought to myself "Wow. Hard to believe a decade ago, THIS guy was considered the fringe".
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I started listening to his radio show a few months before the 2020 election as a recommendation to hear from a Republican who isn’t completely insane. Eventually he got shit canned from his radio show for being so anti-Trump. Now he’s a podcaster where his biggest goal in life is to crush the far right. He was falsely under the impression that the tea party was about fiscal conservatism. It maybe was for about 5 seconds before it shifted almost entirely to “What about [insert minority here]!?!”
 
Getting close to a sixth round. Unless there's a surprise, I don't see McCarthy winning today. I do not see Boebert or Gaetz caving for sure, and that makes me question the others. McCarthy needs 3 of every 4 people against him to vote for him.

Nice bipartisan showing for the clerk. That was nice.

*McCarthy will lose again.

**Glad to see the GOP far-right are suddenly civil rights activists. :ROFLMAO:
 
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