I suppose what I’m asking is, would it be necessary for it to be in the A17 to then appear in the M3, or could they enable it just for the M3?
Can't wait for the M3 Studio!Oh boy! Time to bust out the monkeys!
No Mac release is complete until the Max Tech review drops. This time, the brothers are testing out the M2 Ultra Mac Studio, the base 60 GPU core variant with 64GB of RAM, and standard 24 CPU cores.
I know we like to dunk on Max Tech, it's a TechBoards pastime, but testing and reviewing Mac hardware is what they are typically good at. If you ignore Vadim's general ignorance on highly technical matters, and overall bombast, then they have their uses.
Like other testimonials, the thermals and complete lack of fan noise are the standouts. Also, the "scaling issue" from the M1 Ultra, which Vadim spent over a year bloviating about, appears to have been fixed. (Which is good, because it keeps Vadim quiet, at least about that.) I do wonder how Max dealt with him while growing up. Did Vadim spend all of his time trying to impress the other kids on the playground?
Also, I had a hard time concentrating on the video, because of Vadim's face. He looks like he got in a fight at the local bar.
We can expect a review of the M2 Max version of the Mac Studio, along with the Apple Silicon Mac Pro, in the coming days.
I had been leaning toward getting a M(x) Pro Mac mini, but want at least 32GB of RAM, which quickly gets close to Mac Studio territory in price. Now that Apple have adjusted the cooling solution, which was my main concern, I'm almost certainly going to have an M(x) Max Mac Studio as my next Mac. I've only owned Mac minis, currently on number four, so that'll be a move upward.Can't wait for the M3 Studio!
ok I admit. The M2 Ultra is very good. In blender its greatly improved. With M3 Ultra and hardware RT cores it can match an 4090 while being the size of a lunch box
I don't know exactly what I'm going to upgrade to, likely M3 generation, perhaps I could push it to M4. What I do know is that I'll receive a massive boost in performance and features whenever I do finally replace it.
What we're missing is Anand Lal Shimpi, who used to do amazing in-depth technical reviews of Apple hardware even though his eponymous website was primarily focused on PC.Nonetheless the community is badly missing someone with deep technical knowledge, who doesn't just run tests, but investigates the results and communicates those findings.
It seems puzzling that Apple hardware engineers didn't get the fan curve right the first time, and I'm wondering how much criticism they deserve for this.More user testimonials regarding the M2 Max Mac Studio from this nice fellow.
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So, try as he might, he wasn't able to push his M2 Max to hit the same fan speed that the original M1 Mac Studio ran at default.
I've heard criticism that the Mac Studio is "over engineered". We've been using x86 chips for so long that it's engrained in many user's psyche that computers have to make a lot of fan noise when pushed. Apple is now designing machines which are functionally silent, and it doesn't fit with the old reality, resulting in bizarre complaints.
However, I don't see how that would apply to the M1 Studio's fan noise, since this was not something only seen, say, with very specific combinations of apps the engineers didn't think to try in the their testing. it's something seen under pretty much all conditions of use.
That's a good point--some people find the noise so unacceptable that they return their units, while others think the sound levels are great. And I've no idea whether the difference is the users or the units (certainly, there's a wide variation in hearing ability and noise sensitivity among people). It would be really interesting if a couple of users who knew each other had this situation. Then they could compare their units side-by-side.Perhaps that's the result of less than adequate fan stress testing during development, resulting in some Mac Studios being ok and others not? Or fans within a certain range of manufacture date?
My M1 Studio is dead quiet. Yes, I hear a very soft hiss (not tonal) if my head is in back of the computer with ears a foot away. Sitting in front of my desk, with ears 30" away (normal use) I hear nothing. Others have remarked with similar observations.
While users who tend to experience the problem are far more likely to complain than those who haven't experienced the "whine", I do think it's an issue, and Apple needed to address it.It seems puzzling that Apple hardware engineers didn't get the fan curve right the first time, and I'm wondering how much criticism they deserve for this.
Seeing the innards of the M1 Mac Studios, I can't possibly see how it was rushed. It was definitely an oversight, but I doubt time was an issue. Apparently, Apple sources its power supplies and fans from different manufactures, which may be part of the problem. The fan curve itself may have been a contributing factor, because the M1 Mac Studio defaulted to a much higher RPM than necessary.The only explanation I can think of is that the Studios were rushed to market, and the engineers weren't given the testing time they requested. But I've no idea if that's the case, and it seems unlikely
That's the exact pattern I follow. With software releases, at least you can roll back to a previous version. With hardware, I wait until the 3rd generation of any product, at least. Even upon the announcement of Apple Silicon, I knew I'd be waiting until at least the M3. This was before the Mac Studio was announced, which lines up with a third revision. That's probably the device I will end up with, letting everyone else work out the issues with new hardware. Apple Silicon Macs have been, for the most part, well-received, but I'd prefer to make sure any remaining rickets are taken care of before making the jump from Intel.I think, if you care about hardware refinement, it's generally safest to buy the 2nd gen or later. With Apple, usually there are no issues—but not always.
oh no. Apple's first gen products always suck in longivity. The first iPhone, first iPad and first Apple Watch prove this. Now the 2nd gen Studio is much better in quietness. The first gen Mac Pro for AS looks rushed as well.I think, if you care about hardware refinement, it's generally safest to buy the 2nd gen or later. With Apple, usually there are no issues—but not always.