Donald Trump 2024 Presidential Campaign Announcement Nov. 15

[fooferdoggie]

Now he has so many worshipers who follow him blindly it will be hard to pick out one. maybe he can have a hole gaggle of them be vice president?

 

[rdrr]

Case 4: ?? What am I missing?

This is what I am putting my money on. No one knows what he is going to do, in fact I don't think people would have guessed half the stuff he did in the past 6 years. It like every bombastic thing he does has to be topped. TFG is like a modern day Caligula.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Today is the day in East-coast time. This train wreck and the media blitz will be great entertainment, no matter how sad. This whole saga will be written about, dramatized, documented… it’s a surreal, almost humorous time. It’s self-owning, nobody to blame except ourselves.

That this bozo has survived everything and will announce a third run from his gilded golf club and still have a real shot, after all of this, is ridiculous on its face. I guess that’s the polarization, I will never comprehend Trumpism, and I guess they feel equally about the left. Trump will do nothing to help any of this. But you just have to laugh and enjoy the show at a certain point.

 

[bwinter88]

Today is the day in East-coast time. This train wreck and the media blitz will be great entertainment, no matter how sad. This whole saga will be written about, dramatized, documented… it’s a surreal, almost humorous time. It’s self-owning, nobody to blame except ourselves.

That this bozo has survived everything and will announce a third run from his gilded golf club and still have a real shot, after all of this, is ridiculous on its face. I guess that’s the polarization, I will never comprehend Trumpism, and I guess they feel equally about the left. Trump will do nothing to help any of this. But you just have to laugh and enjoy the show at a certain point.

I remember the moment I realized I could finally relax and enjoy the show was when Giuliani delivered his press conference outside of the Four Seasons...Total Landscaping. The satire had finally closed in on itself. Of course anything can happen, and we've learned that it's all fun and games until it isn't, but I don't feel that we're close to sliding backwards out of irony again anytime soon.

 

[shadow puppet]

I go away from the internet for a few hours only to return and read this thread. Is this for real? Trump possibly running under the “American Patriot Party”?! If so, will Lake end up being his running mate? MTG? What the heck?

(there's more in the thread)
ETA: just learned it leads to a subscription article but you get the jist from the thread.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1592305048864051200/

 

[GermanSuplex]

If Trump forms a third party, the MTGs and Gaetz’s of the world will be Sinema and Manchin all the time. They will cause tons of primary headaches for incumbent and establishment members (which is what many of the MAGA base want). They will lose statewide elections and house seats.

Something like that would be ridiculous, but boy would the press go nuts. Imagine all the far-right Congress folks pledging allegiance to Trump, holding up McCarthy and making a fool of him.

 

[Citysnaps]

This is what I am putting my money on. No one knows what he is going to do, in fact I don't think people would have guessed half the stuff he did in the past 6 years. It like every bombastic thing he does has to be topped. TFG is like a modern day Caligula.

I'm just glad Musk is not a US-born citizen. Imagine the possibilities!

 

[AG_PhamD]

Don't be fooled, Trump stumbles and screws up just as much, he just keeps talking and yammering through it. He was calling JD Vance "JR", and I just commented a week or two ago about how he always screws up a word and then interrupts himself and goes on a tangent to attempt to hide his flub. Biden just gets the word out and moves on.

I'm not going to say that either guy - one pushing 80 and the other right behind him - are young and full of energy - but I listen to Biden's speeches and he gets his points across and cracks jokes, he's active... I don't think anyone would be questioning him if he were still behind a senate desk. He's fine.

But he’s not sitting behind a senate desk. He’s the single most powerful man in the world.

The amount of willful ignorance to ignore the blatant signs of cognitive decline is truly remarkable to me. Then again, is it so surprising that people don’t really care so long as their party is in power.

Everyone who speaks publicly is going to make mistakes. We all make mistakes in our daily conversations, forget words, etc. But the frequency with which Biden has these problems should be concerning. A stutter is just that, a stutter. It doesn’t cause you to forget words, use the wrong words, slur words, general memory impairment, impaired gait, etc. I think the motor symptoms of dementia have become rather apparent as well, the shuffling gait and rigid movements. If you go back 5 years the differences in Biden’s presentation is quite stark. He appears to have good moments and not so good ones, which is typical of dementia. But this will only get worse and from my extremely limited vantage point has.

Thankfully he is in a position where he has a lot of support, but I don’t see this as a good situation for the country to be in.

I haven’t listened to Trump speak in ages so I can’t really comment on that, but tangential speaking isn’t necessarily a red flag in itself. That said, there is obviously an inherent risk of anyone nearing age 80.

Biden has patriotically served our country for decades. I think it’s time for him to move on and enjoy his retirement with his family. The only way he will win in 2024 is if the election is a referendum on whoever the republicans run. If Trump is his contender, that might work, but I wouldn’t exactly call that a win for our country or the Democratic Party.

 

[DT]

I go away from the internet for a few hours only to return and read this thread. Is this for real? Trump possibly running under the “American Patriot Party”?! If so, will Lake end up being his running mate? MTG? What the heck?

(there's more in the thread)
ETA: just learned it leads to a subscription article but you get the jist from the thread.

Is that the Voltron lion?

Lake: FORM HEAD AND ARMS!

Trump: AND I'LL FORM THE ASS!

 

[Citysnaps]

I go away from the internet for a few hours only to return and read this thread. Is this for real? Trump possibly running under the “American Patriot Party”?! If so, will Lake end up being his running mate? MTG? What the heck?

If that happens I propose renaming it ASP - the American Seditionist Party.

 

[Huntn]

How did we get into this mess?

I’ll tell you, the Breaking Bad of American Citizens, not all of them, but enough, a significant number, enough to threaten the viable future of the United States of America.

I‘ll resist throwing out my usual list of negative adjectives to describe these losers, but this is the essence of our situation, we are being dragged down by selfish, anti-American, true believers, who maybe too stupid to realize it, but in their Donald Trump, is a man who is not only completely unqualified to hold any position of authority, is a criminal who belongs in jail. Yet by all measures, a smaller crowd follow, all bets are off if this poison starts winning in the primaries.

Besides the true believers, add the good for evangelicals, good for the Republican Party people, and the crooks who are close, who know the man is rotten to the core, but for perceive personal advantage are willing to turn a blind eye, pay that price because their perception of what is being destroyed are threats to their financial well being, and enabling their ability to shove their religious beliefs down others throats, freedom to practise their prejudices.

Because?… he’s powerful, he’ll push Republican issues while they are blind to or accepting that a fascist America controlled by a POS wearing a Republican label is better than a democratic United States, controlled by any other political party.

Biden's speech yesterday has me worried, that he's probably not able to run another campaign. It seems like his motor skills (mostly when talking) is deteriorating with every speech he makes, and Trump is still vibrant to point where you can't get him to shut up. I would personally want someone else to run against the Republican candidates. It's too bad AOC would fall short one year of age to qualify to run this time.

Don't be fooled, Trump stumbles and screws up just as much, he just keeps talking and yammering through it. He was calling JD Vance "JR", and I just commented a week or two ago about how he always screws up a word and then interrupts himself and goes on a tangent to attempt to hide his flub. Biden just gets the word out and moves on.

I'm not going to say that either guy - one pushing 80 and the other right behind him - are young and full of energy - but I listen to Biden's speeches and he gets his points across and cracks jokes, he's active... I don't think anyone would be questioning him if he were still behind a senate desk. He's fine.

I don’t want Biden to run again, too old. Time for some young blood.

 

[GermanSuplex]

The amount of willful ignorance to ignore the blatant signs of cognitive decline is truly remarkable to me. Then again, is it so surprising that people don’t really care so long as their party is in power.

Biden is slowing down, but he’s not stupid. Do you watch his speeches or only the clips on Fox?

He hasn’t said or done anything that makes me question his faculties. Trump did, all the time. I’m not saying the guy isn’t slowing down, but there’s no comparison. You can call it willfull ignorance, but I’m looking for ability to think, reason and act rationally. Biden fits that, Trump does not. It’s quite simple.

If anyone doesn’t think Biden should run because of his age, I totally get that. That’s quite different than worrying about his faculties.

 

[Citysnaps]

Biden is slowing down, but he’s not stupid. Do you watch his speeches or only the clips on Fox?

He hasn’t said or done anything that makes me question his faculties. Trump did, all the time. I’m not saying the guy isn’t slowing down, but there’s no comparison. You can call it willfull ignorance, but I’m looking for ability to think, reason and act rationally. Biden fits that, Trump does not. It’s quite simple.

If anyone doesn’t think Biden should run because of his age, I totally get that. That’s quite different than worrying about his faculties.

Agree 100%. Earlier this year, possibly in March, I watched Biden being interviewed by Heather Cox Richardson on a variety of subjects with respect to America, American history, governing in general, and foreign policy. In answering her questions, and carrying on a conversation, his responses were thoughtful and very nuanced, with no hesitation or missteps.

That said...I'm on board with David Gergen believing it's time for older generation politicians, including Biden, the House Speaker, and the Senate Minority Leader to pass the baton to the younger generation.

At the minimum, I think the DNC at least needs to have a Plan B tucked away should Biden's faculties and physical abilities degrade over the next two years. Those conversations need to start now.

Best case for me would be Biden personally taking that mission on *now*, privately strategizing with one or two potential replacements, so that he can step aside as a senior advisor for a hand-picked presidential candidate when the time comes.

 

[Huntn]

Desantis is fine, so long as you're straight and white.

DeSantis is the smarter, not egomaniacal Trump, at least no indication at present, give him time. We watched the entire GOP leadership morph into Trump’s image, for the win.

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Desantis is still a threat that supports Trump Crazy if he can use it to get ahead because of it.

What Trump vs. DeSantis says about the future of the American right

DeSantis’s governing style isn’t a break with Trumpism, but its evolution.

www.vox.com

Yet this framing also skates over something important: that a DeSantis victory in 2024 would not, in any sense, represent a return to Republican pre-Trump normalcy or the triumph of the “traditional GOP,” as some observers see it.

The Florida governor, who won a blowout victory in his reelection bid last week, is not a Republican cut from the Bush-Cheney-Romney cloth. He represents an evolution of Trumpism, a new way of channeling the illiberal populist forces unleashed by the former president’s rise to power in 2016.

His ascendancy as Trump’s principal challenger represents not the return of the GOP establishment, but its adaptation to the insurgency that defeated it six years ago. His model is less John McCain or Mitt Romney, the last two GOP nominees before Trump, than Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban — a leader who, after being elected in 2010, proceeded to use his right-wing populist ideology as a cover for authoritarian power grabs.

This is not to say that Trump and DeSantis are identical. In fact, they represent two related but distinct versions of American right-wing populism: Trump its wild id, DeSantis its more calculating and intellectualized ego. If one looks closely at which prominent conservatives and media voices are backing which candidate, these subtle distinctions become clearer — pointing to the different ways that these two figures threaten liberal-democratic norms.

 

[MEJHarrison]

I go away from the internet for a few hours only to return and read this thread. Is this for real? Trump possibly running under the “American Patriot Party”?! If so, will Lake end up being his running mate? MTG? What the heck?

I thought it would be the MAGA Party. Or the Christian Nationalist Party. "something something Patriot something something" was 3rd on my list.

He needs to be back behind that desk to do something about all his legal woes, so I only would be shocked if he didn't run.

As for the American Patriot Party, that's fine. Let him siphon off Republican votes. I guess he's trying to tank his fourth election. More power to him I say!

 

[bwinter88]

But he’s not sitting behind a senate desk. He’s the single most powerful man in the world.

The amount of willful ignorance to ignore the blatant signs of cognitive decline is truly remarkable to me. Then again, is it so surprising that people don’t really care so long as their party is in power.

Everyone who speaks publicly is going to make mistakes. We all make mistakes in our daily conversations, forget words, etc. But the frequency with which Biden has these problems should be concerning. A stutter is just that, a stutter. It doesn’t cause you to forget words, use the wrong words, slur words, general memory impairment, impaired gait, etc. I think the motor symptoms of dementia have become rather apparent as well, the shuffling gait and rigid movements. If you go back 5 years the differences in Biden’s presentation is quite stark. He appears to have good moments and not so good ones, which is typical of dementia. But this will only get worse and from my extremely limited vantage point has.

Thankfully he is in a position where he has a lot of support, but I don’t see this as a good situation for the country to be in.

I haven’t listened to Trump speak in ages so I can’t really comment on that, but tangential speaking isn’t necessarily a red flag in itself. That said, there is obviously an inherent risk of anyone nearing age 80.

Biden has patriotically served our country for decades. I think it’s time for him to move on and enjoy his retirement with his family. The only way he will win in 2024 is if the election is a referendum on whoever the republicans run. If Trump is his contender, that might work, but I wouldn’t exactly call that a win for our country or the Democratic Party.

I've seen dementia up-close many times. Biden does not have dementia. There is a coordinated effort among the right and especially Murdoch-related news companies of running stories, dishonestly editing clips and editorializing in order to paint Biden as ridden with dementia and I think those efforts are making their way into the news diets of even well-informed people.

Case in point, there was a clip floating around which I can't find now from Sky News where an anchor led with "take a look at Biden's response to this question about re-opening schools" and showed an apparently lethargic Biden mumbling about Republican voters believing anything. It turns out the actual question from the reporter was about Republican's weaponizing of school re-openings and Biden's response made perfect sense. Sky News purposefully edited out the question and their anchor just straight-up lied about it. Reading the transcript, Biden's response is thoughtful, thorough and made perfect sense. They were simply capitalizing on the fact that Biden seemed tired that day and his delivery was perhaps "low energy."

I don't think Biden should run again, 80 is too old for public office. What you're seeing is someone who isn't as spritely as they used to be, which is an unavoidable effect of getting old. But this "Biden has dementia" stuff needs to stop. It's pure propaganda.

 

[AG_PhamD]

Biden is slowing down, but he’s not stupid. Do you watch his speeches or only the clips on Fox?

He hasn’t said or done anything that makes me question his faculties. Trump did, all the time. I’m not saying the guy isn’t slowing down, but there’s no comparison. You can call it willfull ignorance, but I’m looking for ability to think, reason and act rationally. Biden fits that, Trump does not. It’s quite simple.

If anyone doesn’t think Biden should run because of his age, I totally get that. That’s quite different than worrying about his faculties.

Why is it that any criticism of the President draws the assumption that it must be politically motivated?

I actually don’t watch Fox. I’ve watched plenty of Biden’s speeches. No one called him “stupid” (and I would never call anyone with dementia “stupid”), but the effects of dementia do call into question things like memory and judgement.

Besides, you can’t take a single incident and draw a conclusion. It is cumulative incidents.

And even if I withhold judgement on how dementia could affect one’s ability to function in a leadership role, it’s hard to ignore the how Biden’s team limits his public interaction, leading to perhaps the least transparent president in modern times in terms of journalists being able to have Q&A with him.

Again, I haven’t seen Trump in quite some time and I don’t know specifically what you’re referring to. The last time I remember seeing him speak was on 1/6 with his absurd speech attempting to stop the madness. But if you see signs of cognitive decline in Trump then I’m not sure how you wouldn’t be able to see them in Biden.

I never saw any concerning signs of cognitive decline in Trump. What I did see were signs of narcissistic personality disorder which is incredibly toxic and brings its own concerns and problems for a leader of a country. As have been clearly demonstrated.

But this shouldn’t be an either-or discussion. It’s about what’s best for a nation. And if you ask me, neither of them should be serving in 2024 (and neither should have in the first place).

And this is also coming from a person who never said Fetterman should have been disqualified because of his stroke and subsequent cognitive processing disabilities.

 

[bwinter88]

but the effects of dementia do call into question things like memory and judgement.

The only clips I've seen from people claiming Biden has dementia have nothing to do with memory and judgement. They're usually phonetic trip-ups where Biden replaces one word with another that sounds similar. My dad has been doing that as long as I can remember (like referring to his Harman Kardon speakers in his car as "Harmon Killebrew") and I haven't seen anything that calls Biden's judgement into question.

 

[fooferdoggie]

can you claim your running for president without legally doing so? I mean so he can take in donations but not deal with all the legal issues?

 

[bwinter88]

it’s hard to ignore the how Biden’s team limits his public interaction, leading to perhaps the least transparent president in modern times in terms of journalists being able to have Q&A with him.

According to this Presidential News Conferences counter, Trump held 1, 5, and 3 press conferences 2016-2019. Biden held 6 last year and 4 so far in 2022.

In 2021 Biden had 166 interactions with reporters. Trump's numbers in his years were 108, 178, 220, and 194. So not sure what you're talking about. Biden's numbers seem pretty average and in some cases better.