Jan 6 Committee Public Hearings

SuperMatt said:
If all the Republicans kicked Trump to the curb permanently, perhaps I could muster an ounce of respect for them. Until then…
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I think Republicans realize that Trump and Trumpism is the only thing they offer that (some) voters approve of. Their biggest delusion is that it will dissipate if Trump himself were out of the picture. To cure the disease they would need to help reduce people's actual problems and struggles and they aren't really interested in that.

There's no shortage of analysis on what caused empires to crumble after the fact but I don't see a lot of analysis on what they could have done to prevent it. "Stop the imperialism wars" is a little too simplistic. To make a modern comparison "The US stopped involvement in foreign wars and all their citizens got world-class socialized healthcare as a result" will probably be something you will never read in a history book.
 
I think the committee very clearly laid out how this was organized.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1535082372030414861/

The important bit:

  • The proud boys & oathkeepers were supposedly there for the former president's speech, as they told the documentarian. The documentarian with them that morning notes that the group doesn't go to the speech, they instead head right ( with a little scouting ) for the capital. He's surprised by this, and the additional ( Arizona & specifically the orange capped group ) people that join as they move on with NO intention of being at the speech.
  • The former president surprises everyone ( including the organizers themselves who know how to create these things and know they don't have ability to control a march ) by calling everyone to march to the capital. Something he says he will join them in, which we & his followers know was a lie. Hell one clown shows up & speaks with body armor on. Which is unusual for some "political discourse."
  • The protestors march then are met by waiting proud boys & oathkeepers who egg the crowd on, and turn the police into the villains standing in the way. The protestors are eventually turned into rioters by the two groups to storm the capital. While the groups have their own units concerned with Pence & Pelosi. The two groups need the protestors to turn into rioters, to give themselves a sudden army to storm the capital.
  • Pence is a very key piece, and we learned that the former president wasn't too concerned if that key piece was lost. That's F'd up.
Pretending any of this "partisan" by hiding behind supposedly not being fully aware of what was presented is weak. THAT is partisan, hiding behind ignorance. We know the groups had weapons stored out of the city in the ready if things went completely their way. None of this is the actions of an unorganized / spontaneous protest. It was a coordinated plan to stop the counting of votes, so it could be sent back to the states where another plan was in place to change those outcomes. We know efforts were made BEFORE the protest to minimize security and Nat'l Guard backup. That the VP's chief of staff was supposedly aware that the VP could very well be in danger. That the former president has lied repeatedly ( and can't keep his lie straight ) about calling in for help as pleaded by everyone else. Instead it's Pence who's calling for the military.

The partisan thing involved here, was one party NOT wanting this investigated at all. One party who punished two of their own, because they were willing to investigate. One party who punished one of their own who happily carried water for the party & the former president, but any dissension is seemingly unacceptable. The partisan thing here was what happened ON Jan 6th & why, and being willing to do nothing so such a thing could happen again.
 
JayMysteri0 said:
The partisan thing involved here, was one party NOT wanting this investigated at all. One party who punished two of their own, because they were willing to investigate. One party who punished one of their own who happily carried water for the party & the former president, but any dissension is seemingly unacceptable. The partisan thing here was what happened ON Jan 6th & why, and being willing to do nothing so such a thing could happen again.
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35 Republicans in the house voted to create the independent commission just over a year ago. That’s quite notable, as they usually all vote together. It was McConnell in the Senate who made sure the commission never happened though. And why did he do that?

McConnell argued that law enforcement efforts to find the perpetrators are ongoing and bipartisan investigations at the committee level are already underway, saying there has been “no shortage of robust investigations” into the events.


"It’s not at all clear what new facts or additional investigation yet another commission could actually lay on top of existing efforts by law enforcement and Congress," he said.

McConnell’s remarks come one day after Trump released a statement demanding that he and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., reject the commission. McCarthy announced his opposition to the legislation on Tuesday morning.
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All this to appease a FORMER president who led the cheers while his goons tried to murder you. Talk about a bunch of wimps. Mitch and company are such cowards. Why would anybody vote for such losers?

www.nbcnews.com

House passes bill to create Jan. 6 commission amid strong GOP opposition

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell joined the chorus of Republican leadership formally urging members to vote against the measure.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
JayMysteri0 said:
The former president surprises everyone ( including the organizers themselves who know how to create these things and know they don't have ability to control a march ) by calling everyone to march to the capital. Something he says he will join them in, which we & his followers know was a lie. Hell one clown shows up & speaks with body armor on. Which is unusual for some "political discourse."
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Some reports indicate Trump wanted to go to the Capitol but the Secret Service told him it wouldn’t be safe beforehand.

www.rollingstone.com

Trump Pressured Secret Service to Let Him Go to the Capitol … as the Riot Was Happening

Former President Donald Trump reportedly pressured the Secret Service to let him march to the Capitol on Jan. 6 — to no avail.
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But he still told his followers he would join them, even though he already knew he couldn’t.

So:
1 - He planned to go and lead the mob in a coup himself.
2 - Despite his security telling him no, he pretended he would join the mob to make sure that they went through with the attack.

Of course, he’s so insane that the Secret Service tried to come up with a plan in case he ignored them and went there anyway.

Can you imagine if the secret service were battling against the Capitol police? ?!?!?!?!?! Trump is just a straight-up tyrant.
 
Cmaier said:
Now that I think of it, at one point I referred to “the insurrection” on MR and had my message deleted and received a warning for calling it that.
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That’s bizarre.
 
Jim Banks (R-Indiana) cannot stop spinning. How does he avoid getting dizzy?



Apparently, it doesn’t matter how much you whip people into a frenzy, telling them to fight like hell and stop the steal… if you say “be peaceful” one time in a 2-hour speech, you’re absolved of inciting a riot.

And his spin on why he objected to certifying the election … nobody is stupid enough to believe that.

But why aren’t we investigating the “failure” of the Capitol police to not be able to handle a riot? That’s the REAL question that Jim Banks claims he wants to know. Uh… watch the video. Really, the Capitol police are pros, so they’d never do this, but…. if they had a priority list of who to protect from future violence, I’d imagine this guy would be near the bottom of it.
 
It’s not the main point of the hearings, but I believe there will be audio of discussions to use the 25th amendment on Trump. Depending on how many Republicans are on the record discussing it, I think we might see the real reason they don’t want this commission. When Trump hears who wanted to get rid of him, the backlash could cost them their seats.
 
I just the read the memo the counsel to Mike Pence submitted, essentially saying that Pence would be breaking the law and would not have the backing of courts. This is not a Democrat or deep state person - this is the VP’s right-hand lawyer saying this is a bad idea.

Pence’s counsel to John Eastman as the riots began..
“I respect your heart here,” replied Jacob. “I share your concerns about what Democrats will do once in power. I want election integrity fixed. But I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up.”

“And thanks to your bullshit,” he continued, “we are now under siege.”

www.politico.com

Pence-world’s final takedown of Trump’s Jan. 6 bid to remain in power revealed in his lawyer's memo

Top adviser told the then-vice president that the courts would likely not support him if he gave in to Trump's pressure to delay certifying electoral votes.
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The Eastman memo was a way to “legalize” the plan, which including putting in “alternate” slates of electors, whatever that means. Which in turn, many Republican officials probably took part in throughout several swing states. None of this is legal and it’s definitely a conspiracy, which included people like Trump down to local officials. I can’t wait to see what’s coming up… I expect Thursday’s hearing was just saying “We know this was a conspiracy orchestrated by Trump“. I’m expecting the next few will go longer than two hours, and I expect far more details.
 
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