Jan 6 Committee Public Hearings

The order of the day is to demonstrate that the election was definitely not stolen, and that Trump knowingly lied about it, over and over.
 
Showing bits of interviews with WH officials discussing what happened in the WH as election results were read.

… one of the officials (Jason Miller) indicated that Giuliani was highly intoxicated…. And insisted that the president announce that he won regardless of the results.
 
SuperMatt said:
Showing bits of interviews with WH officials discussing what happened in the WH as election results were read.

… one of the officials (Jason Miller) indicated that Giuliani was highly intoxicated…. And insisted that the president announce that he won regardless of the results.
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Rudy drunk? No way.
 
The guy from the Fox News political desk is bragging about how their team knew that Arizona would go to Biden earlier than the competing networks.
 
I guess sort of the strange dynamic about this case is that I'm learning that people around Trump thought this was all BS, that he lost, etc, but its just supporting what we all saw play out in public anyways. It's not like a mystery that Trump lied, refused to listen to the truth, laid out his "fraud" claims MONTHS before the election, declared victory on election night and told people to stop counting votes (wtf?)...

This is like watching a terrorist parachute out of one of the 9/11 planes, get captured on landing with box cutters on him, having his tweets telling people to "watch the sky on 9/11, will be wild!", then having a trial...

It's like, more evidence is great, but what more do you need?
 
GermanSuplex said:
I guess sort of the strange dynamic about this case is that I'm learning that people around Trump thought this was all BS, that he lost, etc, but its just supporting what we all saw play out in public anyways. It's not like a mystery that Trump lied, refused to listen to the truth, laid out his "fraud" claims MONTHS before the election, declared victory on election night and told people to stop counting votes (wtf?)...

This is like watching a terrorist parachute out of one of the 9/11 planes, get captured on landing with box cutters on him, having his tweets telling people to "watch the sky on 9/11, will be wild!", then having a trial...

It's like, more evidence is great, but what more do you need?
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To me, it shows there were some loyalists in the Trump administration who backed him no matter what. There were also cowards (like Pence) who were scared to stand up to him. When I see these interviews, showing Trump as detached from reality, it seems like the 25th amendment could reasonably been invoked.

Then the same mix of cowardice and loyalists existed in the Senate, so they didn’t impeach.

It is good that all of America gets to hear Trump officials, under oath, explaining how unhinged Trump had become. We can see why they resigned. I don’t like Bill Barr, but if others could at least have gotten to his level of a semblance of decency, they easily could have gotten rid of Trump or blocked him from ever running again. He could have been out of office before Jan 6 even happened.
 
SuperMatt said:
To me, it shows there were some loyalists in the Trump administration who backed him no matter what. There were also cowards (like Pence) who were scared to stand up to him. When I see these interviews, showing Trump as detached from reality, it seems like the 25th amendment could reasonably been invoked.
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Given that there were internal talks by top GOP officials and even Trump's media arm - people like McCarthy and Hannity brought it up during January 6 - I'd say if Trump isn't a candidate for invoking the 25th amendment, who is?
 
GermanSuplex said:
Given that there were internal talks by top GOP officials and even Trump's media arm - people like McCarthy and Hannity brought it up during January 6 - I'd say if Trump isn't a candidate for invoking the 25th amendment, who is?
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It goes to show when you fill the cabinet with incompetent, immoral sycophants, they won’t invoke the 25th. Because if they do, they know they’d be fired once a competent person gets behind the desk in the Oval Office.
 
GermanSuplex said:
Given that there were internal talks by top GOP officials and even Trump's media arm - people like McCarthy and Hannity brought it up during January 6 - I'd say if Trump isn't a candidate for invoking the 25th amendment, who is?
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That's the problem with human government: if the people who are in the government are moral and/or sane, so will their government be. If they are immoral and/or insane, so will their government be. "If a ruler pays attention to falsehood, All his ministers become wicked" (Proverbs 29:12). I could find other proverbs from another wisdom tradition, too.

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So there's testimony that Bill Barr had DoJ officials investigate some of Trump's online conspiracy garbage and debunked much of it. Trump's campaign officials, Bill Barr and the DoJ, etc. all shot all of this stuff down, but Trump just ignored them, fired them, replaced them, etc. and kept listening to his favorite news outlets, drunk Rudy Colludy, etc.

I'm glad they're going through many of the debunked theories and getting testimony from those in the know about how bogus they were.

They're doing a really good job sort of methodically laying this case out and having a "theme" for each day. The first day was laying out the argument. Today, they're laying out tons of people who said "Yeah, this all BS", showing that Trump had to known.
 
GermanSuplex said:
So there's testimony that Bill Barr had DoJ officials investigate some of Trump's online conspiracy garbage and debunked much of it. Trump's campaign officials, Bill Barr and the DoJ, etc. all shot all of this stuff down, but Trump just ignored them, fired them, replaced them, etc. and kept listening to his favorite news outlets, drunk Rudy Colludy, etc.

I'm glad they're going through many of the debunked theories and getting testimony from those in the know about how bogus they were.

They're doing a really good job sort of methodically laying this case out and having a "theme" for each day. The first day was laying out the argument. Today, they're laying out tons of people who said "Yeah, this all BS", showing that Trump had to known.
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There are still many people on the right that still believe these lies. I don’t know if this sworn testimony will sway them, but it’s possible it will.

Lord, the threats against Schmidt were brutal for just doing his job. Funny how the right-wingers are screaming now about protecting Kavanaugh, but didn’t do anything to protect election workers from threats related to Trump’s tweets.
 
I guess someone thinks the hearing has been effective, because the desperation begins...



www.businessinsider.com

Kevin McCarthy and other House Republicans are planning an alternative report on the Capitol attack targeting Nancy Pelosi, Capitol Police and the FBI as the January 6 committee hearings start

House Republicans say their report, expected later this year, will attempt to clear Trump's name by linking the January 6 Capitol attack to Nancy Pelosi, the FBI, Capitol Police, the National Guard, and others.
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House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and other top GOP members are sewing up an alternative analysis of who was responsible for the January 6, 2021, violent attack on Congress, aides for the California Republican told Insider.

The Republican plan in the works includes an attempt to pin the attacks on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the Capitol Police, the FBI, and the National Guard, and the then-House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving.

With no control over what the January 6 select committee presents to the American public Thursday night during its debut prime-time hearing, House Republican leaders have scrambled to whip up an effective counterattack with little information to go by. That's in part because they refused to take part in the year-long committee investigation. McCarthy was subpoenaed by the select committee but has, so far, refused to cooperate with its investigation.
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That's the problem with human government: if the people who are in the government are moral and/or sane, so will their government be. If they are immoral and/or insane, so will their government be. "If a ruler pays attention to falsehood, All his ministers become wicked" (Proverbs 29:12). I could find other proverbs from another wisdom tradition, too.

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A term that was new to me that I recently heard, psychocracy. A government ruled by a psychopath who attracts and surrounds themself with other psychopaths as members of the government.
 
This committee really needs someone who's embedded in the Trump cult to turn. I don't see these relative unknowns swaying any cult members.

Bill Barr has already been written off as a RINO. That's the problem, it doesn't matter for how long, how hard or how sincerely you kiss Trump's ass, the moment you don't, you're excommunicated from the church of Trump. So everyone is telling the truth and a patriot, until it doesn't square with what Trump the Father wants, then they're just a RINO. It's a low-IQ but effective method that keeps getting stronger.

That said, I hope the justice department is watching, and I hope that they have no qualms with arresting and charging people. Charge Trump, bring him in handcuffs. He may be a former president, but he's also a private citizen just like the rest of us.
 

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