Musk going full Nazi

Broached the subject of going to the dealership to simply look at the i4 today with my wife and it did not go well. Gonna have to finesse this one.

I want no more to do with the car or their crazy ass owner.
 
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@Eric

My wife is slobbering over an i4. We had a whole argument about it this week, only because she doesn’t need a new car right this minute, and I’d prefer she wait until March because I am planning to order my iX in late February or early March. (Hopefully to get one with a NACS port, and word is the range for iX is going up by 10% for the 2026 model releasing in early 2025)

Maybe you can order at the same time as us - if we buy three cars, maybe we get a deal :-)

(I’m planning to lease our two, I think. Though I pointed out to my wife that it appears you can get an i5 for the same lease rate as a higher end i4, so now she’s considering that instead. Back seat of the i4 is pretty cramped.)
 
@Eric

My wife is slobbering over an i4. We had a whole argument about it this week, only because she doesn’t need a new car right this minute, and I’d prefer she wait until March because I am planning to order my iX in late February or early March. (Hopefully to get one with a NACS port, and word is the range for iX is going up by 10% for the 2026 model releasing in early 2025)

Maybe you can order at the same time as us - if we buy three cars, maybe we get a deal :-)

(I’m planning to lease our two, I think. Though I pointed out to my wife that it appears you can get an i5 for the same lease rate as a higher end i4, so now she’s considering that instead. Back seat of the i4 is pretty cramped.)
Wow, okay good to know about the i5, I'll have to trade in the Tesla for a loss though, that's the biggest issue.
 
The suspect in the German Christmas market attack is a fan of Elon, it turns out.

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I posted this in the Trump 2 thread but it should be repeated here. Musk's family in Germany was onboard with the Nazis at the height of their power and later moved to South Africa because they were big fans of apartheid. This shit is in his blood.
 
Doing a little "drive by", saw this thread, and that it pivoted into car talk - figured I'd jump in :)

re: Tesla Disposal

Just rip off that band aid, take the loss, in 30 days it'll just be a lot less sore, in 60 days you'll feel 1000% times better. Granted when we bailed early, it was "only" 2 payments and the standard lease end fees, so under $2K, but goddam, it feels so good to not be burdened everyday by owning a Tesla (I mean, we didn't even really drive it, only the trips to Orlando). For us the Jeep lease ended first, but it makes more sense to pair that up with the new iX vs. keeping the-same-but-shittier Tesla, even with the financial penalty (the Jeep worked out way better since it had an easy lease extension for no extra cost AND was actually cheaper over those 6 months that it offset that lease payoff (y) )

FWIW, the i5 in roughly equivalent trim to an i4 (i.e., 40 vs. 40 or 50 vs. 60) get a touch worse range, and while the rear seats are definitely a bit roomier, you're also trading the really handy sedan-hatch of the i4 for a traditional trunk on the i5. It's also a big vehicle, it's actually like 5" longer than our iX. FWIW, a guy I regularly chat with has an i5 M60 and his Dad just swapped his X5 50e for an iX50 (and loves it), and he really digs on his i5, but he's in Canada, and the M flavor + Canadian-Cold he's getting some 200 mile range.

Speaking of, the iX, it continues to be fantastic. In fact, it's ...


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Had a nice major car OS update, with another pending here soon, Shell recharge onboarded for P&P (in addition to EA), lots of app updates, the ADAS now will identify a proper split lane highway and make full hands free available (it's also hands free / has been, in "traffic mode" under some N speed). Got our letter about the NACS adapters/SuC Network opening, knew it was '25, but maybe this early notice means sooner than later.

It continues to just kill the range too, our trips to the resorts in Universal/Dis (that's like 8-10 trips a years for us), we generally arrive with 66-67% to go ~120 miles, so an easy no-charge round trip, though if a charger is free, I get some bonus juice (used the A2Z adapter recently on a NACS L2, worked great). We're seeing a good 340 miles with overall blended use. I also scored an ODBLink CX adapter which works with ABRP, so I get real-time telemetry from the car, all sorts of system state data, but even better, that feeds into the range calculation for ABPR and improves the calculations. Not a huge difference, and for a long trip with a stop I'd use the native nav, but it's still pretty neat.

Still splitting the daily duties with the new Wrangler which is a blast, has had the top off since mid-October :cool: in fact, the wife is taking it to (hot) yoga in about an hour, it's fun even in the winter (or "winter" around here), roof off, windows up, heater/seats/wheel all cranked up and a hat. Though we went to this super fun Xmas farm/event last week, sun went down, temp plummeted, hahaha, it was a little cold :D Tree transport was so much easier with no roof though. :p

The Wrangler is also still on the original tank of gas it was delivered with. The use today should take it to the 1000 mile mark, sitting at 967 at 1/4 tank. Our use case for this PHEV is just perfect, so we get a huge amount of range off a tank due to mostly electric-only operation.

Oh, and current winter temp references for today's topless Jeep action :D

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(Feel free to move this to the main EV thread if you want to keep this more about Musk being a complete POS ... :) )
 
Doing a little "drive by", saw this thread, and that it pivoted into car talk - figured I'd jump in :)

re: Tesla Disposal

Just rip off that band aid, take the loss, in 30 days it'll just be a lot less sore, in 60 days you'll feel 1000% times better. Granted when we bailed early, it was "only" 2 payments and the standard lease end fees, so under $2K, but goddam, it feels so good to not be burdened everyday by owning a Tesla (I mean, we didn't even really drive it, only the trips to Orlando). For us the Jeep lease ended first, but it makes more sense to pair that up with the new iX vs. keeping the-same-but-shittier Tesla, even with the financial penalty (the Jeep worked out way better since it had an easy lease extension for no extra cost AND was actually cheaper over those 6 months that it offset that lease payoff (y) )

FWIW, the i5 in roughly equivalent trim to an i4 (i.e., 40 vs. 40 or 50 vs. 60) get a touch worse range, and while the rear seats are definitely a bit roomier, you're also trading the really handy sedan-hatch of the i4 for a traditional trunk on the i5. It's also a big vehicle, it's actually like 5" longer than our iX. FWIW, a guy I regularly chat with has an i5 M60 and his Dad just swapped his X5 50e for an iX50 (and loves it), and he really digs on his i5, but he's in Canada, and the M flavor + Canadian-Cold he's getting some 200 mile range.

Speaking of, the iX, it continues to be fantastic. In fact, it's ...


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Had a nice major car OS update, with another pending here soon, Shell recharge onboarded for P&P (in addition to EA), lots of app updates, the ADAS now will identify a proper split lane highway and make full hands free available (it's also hands free / has been, in "traffic mode" under some N speed). Got our letter about the NACS adapters/SuC Network opening, knew it was '25, but maybe this early notice means sooner than later.

It continues to just kill the range too, our trips to the resorts in Universal/Dis (that's like 8-10 trips a years for us), we generally arrive with 66-67% to go ~120 miles, so an easy no-charge round trip, though if a charger is free, I get some bonus juice (used the A2Z adapter recently on a NACS L2, worked great). We're seeing a good 340 miles with overall blended use. I also scored an ODBLink CX adapter which works with ABRP, so I get real-time telemetry from the car, all sorts of system state data, but even better, that feeds into the range calculation for ABPR and improves the calculations. Not a huge difference, and for a long trip with a stop I'd use the native nav, but it's still pretty neat.

Still splitting the daily duties with the new Wrangler which is a blast, has had the top off since mid-October :cool: in fact, the wife is taking it to (hot) yoga in about an hour, it's fun even in the winter (or "winter" around here), roof off, windows up, heater/seats/wheel all cranked up and a hat. Though we went to this super fun Xmas farm/event last week, sun went down, temp plummeted, hahaha, it was a little cold :D Tree transport was so much easier with no roof though. :p

The Wrangler is also still on the original tank of gas it was delivered with. The use today should take it to the 1000 mile mark, sitting at 967 at 1/4 tank. Our use case for this PHEV is just perfect, so we get a huge amount of range off a tank due to mostly electric-only operation.

Oh, and current winter temp references for today's topless Jeep action :D

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(Feel free to move this to the main EV thread if you want to keep this more about Musk being a complete POS ... :) )
I'm inclined to agree. The way I have it figured (and being hopeful) is that if I trade in for a lease that it'll keep the payments roughly the same even though I'm eating a huge amount of equity from my Tesla on it. I'll see what they dealers can do with it before even test driving.
 
Musk is a giant tool:

Elon Musk wrote on X after the attack that German chancellor Scholz “should resign immediately,” and expressed agreement with a post on X that claimed that “only the AfD would have prevented the attack.” Meanwhile, far-right accounts online were quick to accuse the alleged perpetrator of Islamist terrorism.


However, accounts from German officials, and a social media account that appeared to belong to the suspect, suggested the suspect held vehemently anti-Islamic views. “The AfD and I are fighting the same enemy to protect Germany,” read one message the X account posted in 2016. The account also shared posts from AfD politicians and other far-right figures, and alleged that Germany “wants to islamize Europe.”
 
Speaking of, the iX, it continues to be fantastic. In fact, it's ...


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:LOL:


Had a nice major car OS update, with another pending here soon, Shell recharge onboarded for P&P (in addition to EA), lots of app updates, the ADAS now will identify a proper split lane highway and make full hands free available (it's also hands free / has been, in "traffic mode" under some N speed). Got our letter about the NACS adapters/SuC Network opening, knew it was '25, but maybe this early notice means sooner than later.

It continues to just kill the range too, our trips to the resorts in Universal/Dis (that's like 8-10 trips a years for us), we generally arrive with 66-67% to go ~120 miles, so an easy no-charge round trip, though if a charger is free, I get some bonus juice (used the A2Z adapter recently on a NACS L2, worked great). We're seeing a good 340 miles with overall blended use. I also scored an ODBLink CX adapter which works with ABRP, so I get real-time telemetry from the car, all sorts of system state data, but even better, that feeds into the range calculation for ABPR and improves the calculations. Not a huge difference, and for a long trip with a stop I'd use the native nav, but it's still pretty neat.

Still splitting the daily duties with the new Wrangler which is a blast, has had the top off since mid-October :cool: in fact, the wife is taking it to (hot) yoga in about an hour, it's fun even in the winter (or "winter" around here), roof off, windows up, heater/seats/wheel all cranked up and a hat. Though we went to this super fun Xmas farm/event last week, sun went down, temp plummeted, hahaha, it was a little cold :D Tree transport was so much easier with no roof though. :p

The Wrangler is also still on the original tank of gas it was delivered with. The use today should take it to the 1000 mile mark, sitting at 967 at 1/4 tank. Our use case for this PHEV is just perfect, so we get a huge amount of range off a tank due to mostly electric-only operation.

Oh, and current winter temp references for today's topless Jeep action :D

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(Feel free to move this to the main EV thread if you want to keep this more about Musk being a complete POS ... :) )

Thanx for your iX 50 report - very much appreciate it. Over this year I've been on-and-off noodling purchasing one. With the recent 2025 reviews starting to show up I might be getting closer to a purchase (assuming my wife gets on-board).

With respect to your iX... are there any gripes/nits/irritants that bug or bother you? Also... in addition to the great range you're getting, are there other aspects/features that you find really impressive?
 
The republicans in office are already slobbering over Musk’s ketamine boner, I don’t think Trump likes that very much. Democrats’ job, beyond pushing back in the house like they did when President Musk tanked the funding deal and ended up handing Trump and Musk a loss, is to belittle Trump for his allegiance to Musk every day. It’s already bothering him, as Trump addressed the insults at his cult rally at Turning Point’s racist convention today.

 
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Did not make it to 1000 miles on the Wrangler :D 991.


Thanx for your iX 50 report - very much appreciate it. Over this year I've been on-and-off noodling purchasing one. With the recent 2025 reviews starting to show up I might be getting closer to a purchase (assuming my wife gets on-board).

With respect to your iX... are there any gripes/nits/irritants that bug or bother you? Also... in addition to the great range you're getting, are there other aspects/features that you find really impressive?

This was my "Here's what we own now ..." post from a month or so ago:


Thought now in reading it, I see it's mostly me rambling about the acquisition process, so let me continue to ramble on with more thoughts about the iX :)

The entire vehicle is pretty impressive, this is our 4th BMW we've always really enjoyed the ownership experience, so right up front, we have a lot of "brand love" :) Typical (at least at this market segment) excellent fit and finish, everything feels solid like the switch gear, everything is finished (like the edges of the seats), and feels heavy in a good way (like the Model 3 felt flimsy)

There's an excellent mix of physical and screen based controls, and often times both are available, and with some controls, there's several options. I can adjust the volume on the display, or the volume roller on the center armrest, or the dial on the steering wheel, or by voice command, or - and this is pretty silly - by gesture control! Some level of physical controls is our new baseline, no more "everything on the screen" for us.

CarPlay (wireless). That is all :D

We greatly prefer a driver's facing display in addition to the center screen. I've determined I really dislike that design choice because it's mostly just a cost reduction move. I love having driver related information in front me, the driver, while the center screen can be used for navigation searches, music selection and control, etc. The iX goes even further by offering a very nice HUD - so for example, we're navigating somewhere, and we get a full trip scale map on the center, a more tactical zoomed in map view on the driver's display and turn-by-turn cues on the HUD.

It uses blended braking, so when you press the brake pedal, that's regen, not frictional brakes (up to a certain threshold), that blends with the automatic regen, and it's perfectly seamless - and with regen in general, you can swap between drive modes on the fly, there's a D, that's sort of a coast mode, it's great on the highway as you don't want to constantly lose too much speed by lifting off the throttle - the iX you lift off at 75MPH, it will just keep coasting and coasting with really good power recovery. You can flip the switch to B and regen substantially increases and this will bring the car down to a complete halt, it's the "One Pedal Driving" often associated with Tesla.

The driver's assist systems are fantastic (for reference, the Tesla tried to murder us more than once, so I couldn't even use a basic cruise control in that car). With the Pro package you get several features for highway use, traffic specific assist, auto parking. It does some very cool things like constantly record a 100 or so feet of forward motion and allow a reverse backtrace, like if you drive yourself into a tricky dead end, external remote control. And keep in mind all this is driven by a proper set of sensors/tech: cameras, yes, but also LIDAR and USS.

It has a glorious ride, it's meets and exceeds how you would expect a vehicle from this segment to ride, though we do have the optional air suspension. That was a requirement on our "next ride", it was standard on the X5 50e we seriously considered, an option on the iX xDrive50, got a little tricky for a bit as it disappeared as an option for part of the model year. When it came back it was just the AS, it was bundled with an "active suspension" package that also included 4 wheel steering (which we don't have), that is now, once again an option (might be standalone now). The iX M60 had it standard - but now, the 50 is being replaced with the 60 and they're introducing a 70, and possibly a lower end 40 (that's offered in Europe), so not sure about the packaging and options moving forward.

OK, so back to good stuff: it has nice luxury options like heated, vented and massage seats. We have an option called Immersive Heating, where the inner doors/armrests, and center console/armrests heat up as well. You can set the loudness level of the cooling fans when charging (so it can be quieter in something like a shared garage space). Some really cool details, like it's a big carbon fiber tub and they leave the material pattern visible, around the doors openings, the hatch. The roof is electrochromic, so it goes clear to opaque on a touch (the front glass is also heat reflective and makes a huge difference). Great lighting all around, killer headlights, neat walk up path lighting, everything can change color, patterns, interior lighting is also very cool, fully adjustable, and is part of the status indicators - like red/green for lock/unlock, or pulsing blue while charging:


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Lots of neat modes that change the color theme, the controls, the throttle mapping, the sounds, the display, the suspension ride height, stiffness, etc.).

Whew!

I could probably go on, but let me address a few gripes, very minor, one is more of a major "this is just the current platform", so it's not so much a gripe, but recognition there's a major improvement coming (and I was totally aware when leasing).

The initial account/key setup is unnecessarily confusing, once it's done, at least you don't have to think about it again.

The "EV system" while outstanding is based on 400V architecture, so that could/should/will move to an 800V in the near future, and improve DCFC charge time. It hasn't been an issue for us, our very few trips that require a DCFC stop, have been a long stop anyway, 20 minutes vs. 40 minutes wouldn't have made any difference, but it will still be a welcome change. The iX platform AFAIK, will not get this major architecture update (including the '26 LCI), it will be for the next major product series.

The app updates frequently and just like any other iOS app, the main car OS updates are a lot less frequent and the process is a bit clunky (doesn't support direct to WiFi connection, must go through cell or your device). We got an "apps" update today, that's just the individual apps like native Spotify, they finally added a more specific list of what was part of the update, so it's improving.

Small things that can be updated (assuming so, given what the car can do now), haven't been, but should be easy. So either it's not doable (and my previous assumption is wrong), or they need to pay more attention to the ownership improvement updates people have been requesting for months and months. For example, not having an option to disable auto lock/unlock for a specific location. You can set the charging rate, even something with the windows per location, but not prevent the vehicle from lock/unlock/lock/unlock as you walk past it in the garage.

I'd like more settings to be either tied to the profile or at least "sticky", like drive mode.

This really doesn't bother us, but since it's a "perk" with many EVs, probably worth mentioning: no frunk. And I don't even mean limited storage, I mean the hood doesn't even open :D

Non-Tesla DCFC, since we don't need it that much, it affects us less that it might other people, but it still needs improvement. It gets better daily, the new FPL stations in FL are excellent, the continued support for plug-and-charge is good - and - if the Tesla SuC is a major factor, then just wait another N months, and that'll be resolved too.

Bottom line though, we'd buy one again tomorrow. :)

Feel free to AMA else specific.
 
The entire vehicle is pretty impressive, this is our 4th BMW we've always really enjoyed the ownership experience, so right up front, we have a lot of "brand love" :) Typical (at least at this market segment) excellent fit and finish, everything feels solid like the switch gear, everything is finished (like the edges of the seats), and feels heavy in a good way (like the Model 3 felt flimsy)

Many thanks for the heads-up. Sounds like a really great auto. Long ago I’ve had two BMWs, both used. A 6 cylinder Bavaria, and a 2002.

Regarding: “You can flip the switch to B and regen substantially increases and this will bring the car down to a complete halt, it's the "One Pedal Driving" often associated with Tesla.

I’m a little confused about that, and probably misinterpreted. Does One Pedal Driving occur without pressing the brake pedal and just lifting your foot off the accelerator pedal? How does one control where you want the car to eventually stop (say, at a Stop sign)?

From what I read, and I may have this wrong… Air suspension appears to be a standalone $1,200 option. But… if for 2025 the 50 tech/options is being replaced by the 60 tech/options, then that would also include active suspension, right?
 
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Many thanks for the heads-up. Sounds like a really great auto. Long ago I’ve had two BMWs, both used. A 6 cylinder Bavaria, and a 2002.

Regarding: “You can flip the switch to B and regen substantially increases and this will bring the car down to a complete halt, it's the "One Pedal Driving" often associated with Tesla.

I’m a little confused about that, and probably misinterpreted. Does One Pedal Driving occur without pressing the brake pedal and just lifting your foot off the accelerator pedal? How does one control where you want the car to eventually stop (say, at a Stop sign)?

From what I read, and I may have this wrong… Air suspension appears to be a standalone $1,200 option. But… if for 2025 the 50 tech/options is being replaced by the 60 tech/options, then that would also include active suspension, right?
one pedal driving means when you lift your foot off the accelerator, the car slows to a stop by using regeneration instead of the physical brakes. When I first got my model s in 2013, it was very abrupt: if you lifted your foot all the way, the car slowed suddenly, as if you pressed the brake pedal firmly. Over the years they softened the effect with software updates.
 
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one pedal driving means when you lift your foot off the accelerator, the car slows to a stop by using regeneration instead of the physical brakes. When I first got my model s in 2013, it was very abrupt: if you lifted your foot all the way, the car slowed suddenly, as if you pressed the brake pedal firmly. Over the years they softened the effect with software updates.

Thanks... But when you lift your foot off the accelerator, going say 35 mph down El Camino, and approaching a red light, how do you control it stopping in front of the crosswalk?
 
Thanks... But when you lift your foot off the accelerator, going say 35 mph down El Camino, and approaching a red light, how do you control it stopping in front of the crosswalk?
Same way you control the brake pedal, but in reverse. Lift a little and it decelerates a little. Lift a lot and it decelerates more rapidly.
 
Same way you control the brake pedal, but in reverse. Lift a little and it decelerates a little. Lift a lot and it decelerates more rapidly.

Ah, OK. Got it. Thanks!

If you take your foot completely off the accelerator do the brakes lock (or close to it)? Wondering if its easy to modulate the braking during the last 10-20 feet?
 
No. The brakes are never engaged at all. It’s all done by converting the kinetic energy from your spinning wheels into electrical energy that gets stored in the battery. This forces the wheels to stop spinning.

Practically speaking, on teslas at least, at this point you stop most of the way by lifting your foot, then press the brake to be sure you don’t roll any further. It all feels very natural once you are used to it.

FWIW, I’ve never needed to replace my brakes - it’s a lot less wear and tear this way.
 
No. The brakes are never engaged at all. It’s all done by converting the kinetic energy from your spinning wheels into electrical energy that gets stored in the battery. This forces the wheels to stop spinning.

Practically speaking, on teslas at least, at this point you stop most of the way by lifting your foot, then press the brake to be sure you don’t roll any further. It all feels very natural once you are used to it.

FWIW, I’ve never needed to replace my brakes - it’s a lot less wear and tear this way.

My mistake... I'm using the wrong terms. I get the brakes aren't used at all.

But the moving car has some amount of kinetic energy that needs to come to zero before crossing the crosswalk. And that's modulated by gradually lifting your foot off the accelerator.

If traveling at 35mph and I instantly (say accidentally) take my foot off the accelerator pedal, what happens? Does the car instantly stop (and potentially skid - especially in the rain)? Or does software prevent that from occurring by modulating regeneration?

EDIT: I missed the part where you use the brake pedal a little before coming to a stop.
 
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