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My mistake... I'm using the wrong terms. I get the brakes aren't used at all.

But the moving car has some amount of kinetic energy that needs to come to zero before crossing the crosswalk. And that's modulated by gradually lifting your foot off the accelerator.

If traveling at 35mph and I instantly (say accidentally) take my foot off the accelerator pedal, what happens? Does the car instantly stop (and potentially skid - especially in the rain)? Or does software prevent that from occurring by modulating regeneration?

EDIT: I missed the part where you use the brake pedal a little before coming to a stop.
I’ve never timed the 60-0 time lifting my foot. But when I first got the car, it would definitely come to a complete spot very quickly. Now, it is more gradual. It will eventually stop, but I seldom leave myself enough distance to rely entirely on regeneration.
 
My mistake... I'm using the wrong terms. I get the brakes aren't used at all.

But the moving car has some amount of kinetic energy that needs to come to zero before crossing the crosswalk. And that's modulated by gradually lifting your foot off the accelerator.

If traveling at 35mph and I instantly (say accidentally) take my foot off the accelerator pedal, what happens? Does the car instantly stop (and potentially skid - especially in the rain)? Or does software prevent that from occurring by modulating regeneration?

EDIT: I missed the part where you use the brake pedal a little before coming to a stop.

A way to think of it is that regen behaves like a stronger engine braking effect. The biggest drag of the engine on the drive shaft in an ICE car is when there’s no throttle input, but it diminishes as you add small amounts of throttle input until you get to something that is similar to being in neutral. Add more input and you are accelerating.

An EV without *any* regen when off the throttle feels very weird coming from an ICE car. You just coast, and coast, and coast. But it means a manufacturer can adjust the throttle response such that you have control over how much "engine braking"/regen happens when fully off the throttle. In 1-pedal mode on my GV60, the regen is strong enough to slow down, but not nearly as strong as the brakes themselves when you need a quick stop. But I can also adjust the effect such that it feels a lot like an ICE car.
 
I’ve never timed the 60-0 time lifting my foot. But when I first got the car, it would definitely come to a complete spot very quickly. Now, it is more gradual. It will eventually stop, but I seldom leave myself enough distance to rely entirely on regeneration.

Thanks, I think I got it now.
 
If traveling at 35mph and I instantly (say accidentally) take my foot off the accelerator pedal, what happens? Does the car instantly stop (and potentially skid - especially in the rain)? Or does software prevent that from occurring by modulating regeneration?
My car (Nissan Ariya) has several driving modes that affect regen braking. There is "B" on the shifter, which is akin to down-shifting an ICE tranny. Then there is "e-step", which is for the kind of hard braking like you might have to do in rush hour or a traffic jam. Then there are the 3 main modes that specify pedal action: "Sport" has a touchy throttle and a lot of regen, such as you might want racing up a winding mountain road (it also tightens the steering); "Eco" has a very soft throttle and no foot-off regen (like coasting in neutral, which works quite well); "Standard" is in between the other two.

Quite honestly, driving modes suck. The ergonomics of the Ariya setup are less than ideal – I do not usually stay in one mode the whole time, so I put duct tape on my brand new car to help find the mode selector without having to look. It would be much nicer, IMO, if they put a regen level thumbwheel on the side of the shift device, a launch scaler wheel on the forward face (perhaps with a "sport steering" click) and ditched B, e-step and the modes completely. Not sure if other people would cotton to that, but it is what I would want.
 
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No. The brakes are never engaged at all. It’s all done by converting the kinetic energy from your spinning wheels into electrical energy that gets stored in the battery. This forces the wheels to stop spinning.

Practically speaking, on teslas at least, at this point you stop most of the way by lifting your foot, then press the brake to be sure you don’t roll any further. It all feels very natural once you are used to it.

FWIW, I’ve never needed to replace my brakes - it’s a lot less wear and tear this way.
Yeah, very rare that I actually press on the breaks. Typically the only time is when I have a full charge and regenerative breaking isn't needed, it always throws me for a second but I watch for that green icon now so I'm always aware.
 
1 pedal driving was born out of Tesla's desire to not do blended braking (even though they 100% can).
I don't see why other manufacturers copy that feature since they all do region on braking. I'm also not impressed that pretty much every vehicle makes you constantly set the settings on every drive. Blended braking has 1 major advantage over 1PD, they can majorly increase the regenerative forces before physically engaging the brakes (see Taycans ridiculous 300kW of regen).


I'm more interested in seeing if Electrify America will switch over to NACS since it appears none of the CCS to NACS adapters support 800V (yet). That would help folks avoid going to Tesla Superchargers (giving Musk more money). Of course that only really matters if you cannot charge at home or are going on a road trip, which most other EV drivers don't seem to do as much of.
 
Same way you control the brake pedal, but in reverse. Lift a little and it decelerates a little. Lift a lot and it decelerates more rapidly.
I'm gonna let you create a new thread out of this, cause I'm nice that way.
 
Many thanks for the heads-up. Sounds like a really great auto. Long ago I’ve had two BMWs, both used. A 6 cylinder Bavaria, and a 2002.

BMW 6s are glorious. In a moment of "F*** this going back to ICE one more time ..." post Tesla, I almost pulled the trigger on an M3 Comp. :cool:

Regarding: “You can flip the switch to B and regen substantially increases and this will bring the car down to a complete halt, it's the "One Pedal Driving" often associated with Tesla.

I’m a little confused about that, and probably misinterpreted. Does One Pedal Driving occur without pressing the brake pedal and just lifting your foot off the accelerator pedal? How does one control where you want the car to eventually stop (say, at a Stop sign)?

Everyone above pretty much covered it. Someone even said "reverse braking" which is a terrific description. You get a good sense of when it will stop pretty easily too, like if I'm in B, and leaving the neighborhood, I don't even feather it, I come totally off the throttle and roll to a perfect stop right at the signs. Mostly I drive in D anyway (since that's the default mode), and the wife exclusively drives in D, she likes the more ICE/auto-transmission feel that provides, prefers more of a coast + manual brakes (which is really, mostly, regen) drive style.

A couple of additional details, there's also a HOLD button, so even if you're driving in D, after a full stop, you can remove your foot from the brake and the car is locked in position.

In D mode, there's 4 different regen levels, low/med/high and adaptive - the latter will change the regen level to account for the specific situation (but it's never as aggressive as B mode).

This all of course works with all the collision avoidance systems, so like in D (which we keep in adaptive) it'll slow down harder/quicker if you car in front slows down/brakes.

Having all these choices is fantastic vs. that "other" option :)

From what I read, and I may have this wrong… Air suspension appears to be a standalone $1,200 option. But… if for 2025 the 50 tech/options is being replaced by the 60 tech/options, then that would also include active suspension, right?

Just for clarity, there was an Active Suspension package, that was Air Suspension (AS) and 4WS, that was dropped on the 50 (supply chain issues), then came back as just a standalone AS, and now standalone 4WS options. The 60 has always had both as standard.

When the 60 becomes the 50 (so to speak), I'm not sure if they'll retain the same standard features since that keeps the price a bit higher, unless that rumor of the 40 entering the market kind of takes up that lower market space (it has a smaller battery than the 50 or 60 too)

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Oh, I also meant to add, with the 50 there was a Standard and Sport option, the latter changed up the suspension to the M-Sport, but that's not active, the only option that provides dynamic control is AS. FWIW, the Sport also changed up the front end, side skirts, rear treatment, smoked the exterior lights and bumped the wheel/tire up from the 20" base to the 21" Sport (it could still be optioned with any wheel, some folks went up to the 22"), and adds bigger, blue M-sport calipers.

And this is an interesting little thing, when I was looking at the 21" Sport setup I was like , OK good compromise of looks, performance and sidewall (vs. the 22"), but I did dig on that beefier 22" setup (it's a 275 vs. a 255). Kind of the same general style, i.e., a black/graphic center with a polished trim ring, shiny spokes.

Then when I saw the one we eventually got, I found out there's an "alternate" 21" sport wheel (that's basically a free option) that's a completely black base, and the "spokes" are more of a darker graphite than a brighter silver, it looks amazing on the darker color with the Sport blacked out trim, etc. (the bright ones looks good on white) - below standard 21" Sport package wheels left / 21" Sport package optional "dark" wheels right :)

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BMW 6s are glorious. In a moment of "F*** this going back to ICE one more time ..." post Tesla, I almost pulled the trigger on an M3 Comp. :cool:



Everyone above pretty much covered it. Someone even said "reverse braking" which is a terrific description. You get a good sense of when it will stop pretty easily too, like if I'm in B, and leaving the neighborhood, I don't even feather it, I come totally off the throttle and roll to a perfect stop right at the signs. Mostly I drive in D anyway (since that's the default mode), and the wife exclusively drives in D, she likes the more ICE/auto-transmission feel that provides, prefers more of a coast + manual brakes (which is really, mostly, regen) drive style.

A couple of additional details, there's also a HOLD button, so even if you're driving in D, after a full stop, you can remove your foot from the brake and the car is locked in position.

In D mode, there's 4 different regen levels, low/med/high and adaptive - the latter will change the regen level to account for the specific situation (but it's never as aggressive as B mode).

This all of course works with all the collision avoidance systems, so like in D (which we keep in adaptive) it'll slow down harder/quicker if you car in front slows down/brakes.

Having all these choices is fantastic vs. that "other" option :)



Just for clarity, there was an Active Suspension package, that was Air Suspension (AS) and 4WS, that was dropped on the 50 (supply chain issues), then came back as just a standalone AS, and now standalone 4WS options. The 60 has always had both as standard.

When the 60 becomes the 50 (so to speak), I'm not sure if they'll retain the same standard features since that keeps the price a bit higher, unless that rumor of the 40 entering the market kind of takes up that lower market space (it has a smaller battery than the 50 or 60 too)

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Oh, I also meant to add, with the 50 there was a Standard and Sport option, the latter changed up the suspension to the M-Sport, but that's not active, the only option that provides dynamic control is AS. FWIW, the Sport also changed up the front end, side skirts, rear treatment, smoked the exterior lights and bumped the wheel/tire up from the 20" base to the 21" Sport (it could still be optioned with any wheel, some folks went up to the 22"), and adds bigger, blue M-sport calipers.

And this is an interesting little thing, when I was looking at the 21" Sport setup I was like , OK good compromise of looks, performance and sidewall (vs. the 22"), but I did dig on that beefier 22" setup (it's a 275 vs. a 255). Kind of the same general style, i.e., a black/graphic center with a polished trim ring, shiny spokes.

Then when I saw the one we eventually got, I found out there's an "alternate" 21" sport wheel (that's basically a free option) that's a completely black base, and the "spokes" are more of a darker graphite than a brighter silver, it looks amazing on the darker color with the Sport blacked out trim, etc. (the bright ones looks good on white) - below standard 21" Sport package wheels left / 21" Sport package optional "dark" wheels right :)

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Thanks again... really appreciate the additional information and photos - those wheels (especially the graphite on black) look sharp. Overall there's a lot to chew on. I've also been poking around on the BMW website. I can tell it's going to take awhile coming up with a configuration.
 
No. The brakes are never engaged at all. It’s all done by converting the kinetic energy from your spinning wheels into electrical energy that gets stored in the battery. This forces the wheels to stop spinning.

Does this activate the rear brake lights? Do you need to keep a foot on the brake at say a stop light?

I ask because I once got a warning for being at a stoplight without my brakes being illuminated (back in the days when I drove a stick).
 
Does this activate the rear brake lights? Do you need to keep a foot on the brake at say a stop light?

I ask because I once got a warning for being at a stoplight without my brakes being illuminated (back in the days when I drove a stick).

Depends on what regulations are being followed by the specific manufacturer.

At least in my setup, you need auto-hold enabled for it to hold the car in place for you without using the brake pedal, which will engage the brake lights. And depending on the car, any deceleration above a particular limit requires that the brake lights engage in the EU. Many, but not all brands will use the same setup in their US cars. Hyundai for example didn’t until there was pushback and they deployed the EU behavior on US cars: https://www.consumerreports.org/car...provide-fair-warning-on-some-evs-a9533519285/
 
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Does this activate the rear brake lights? Do you need to keep a foot on the brake at say a stop light?

I ask because I once got a warning for being at a stoplight without my brakes being illuminated (back in the days when I drove a stick).
It comes on automatically with the Tesla, I think it has to meet a deceleration threshold and then kicks in whether your foot is on the brake or not. From what I hear it's pretty accurate.
 
Does this activate the rear brake lights? Do you need to keep a foot on the brake at say a stop light?

My car can slows pretty aggressively on regen but is stingier than I would prefer with the brake lights. To come to a full stop, I actually need the brake pedal, and to get brake hold requires a firm press. Once hold is on, the brake lights stay on until I press the throttle.

On my Focus, I had free play between D and N, so I used N all the time at stoplights, which is similar to hold, at least on the flat. I always hated fighting creep (partly due to mostly driving manuals before that).
 
Did not make it to 1000 miles on the Wrangler :D 991.


OK, done. Over 1000 miles on the same tank. :)

Removed the OEM Rubi rock rails, we missed the side step, so I replaced the rails with a combo big beefy rails + a 4" step down, and this rail design as a small middle step up high so I can reach the center line on the roof, which will be handy.

Also, these things will destroy a door that gets opened into the Jeep, so feel free to not pay attention :D
 
I only briefly glanced over the responses here. Are we saying installing a braking system on a car is the final pupil stage of a Nazi? 🤔
Elno has little comprehension of the technical details of the vehicles his company sells. He is genuinely not particularly intelligent. Smarter than a fungus – mostly. If he were not in charge of Tesla, they would probably be putting out a much better quality product with better support. His twitter fiasco has almost certainly had a deleterious impact on the car company. Just like Schicklgruber, whose main goal seemed to be the destruction of his own nation.
 
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Annti-immigrant MAGA struck a nerve. Yes, this is real. Wow.

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Also, people who have questioned the free speech absolutist vanishing.

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