The Election Day Thread

[JayMysteri0]

I like this tweet a lot, even if the silverware's getting loaded into the truck.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324146966234714113/

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that truck is just for tax records.

 

[Alli]

I'm thinking of a new coalition made up of people who left the GOP, people who are still in it but disgusted with Trump and McConnell, and independents.

I wonder if it’s possible to get back the original GOP, and if not can the folks behind all those anti-Trump Republican groups create a viable third party?

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

How the fuck is Alaska not decided yet? Not enough sea planes to check on the homesteaders? Too many liberals move there to try to prove they aren't pussies to nobody who cares if they are? Is it baby fur seal clubbing season that pauses for nothing?

 

[JayMysteri0]

 

[Thomas Veil]

 

[Yoused]

A crowd in Detroit was pounding on the glass at the convention center demanding "Stop the Count!!!"

Ok.

Biden is leading by enough of a margin that cnn has called Michigan for him.

What do these spraying morons hope to accomplish?

 

[Eric]

A crowd in Detroit was pounding on the glass at the convention center demanding "Stop the Count!!!"

Ok.

Biden is leading by enough of a margin that cnn has called Michigan for him.

What do these spraying morons hope to accomplish?

They're unhinged. Republicans expect police to be there when black people are looting a Target but not when Trump supporters are storming an election center, apparently.

 

[SuperMatt]

A crowd in Detroit was pounding on the glass at the convention center demanding "Stop the Count!!!"

Ok.

Biden is leading by enough of a margin that cnn has called Michigan for him.

What do these spraying morons hope to accomplish?

False claims on Facebook are going viral, and many people have Facebook as their main or even sole source of information. Imagine all the disinformation you see debunked every day, then double that at least, and realize most people seeing it on their feed actually believe it. Such people might actually believe a Biden win could result in Antifa coming to their town, turning all their kids gay or trans, burning all statues of Jesus, etc. I bet there was some story on Facebook claiming that this vote counting was actually some plot to steal the election.

 

[SuperMatt]

The vote in NC tightened considerably... it’s still possible Joe gets NC and GA....? I hope so.

 

[Eric]

False claims on Facebook are going viral, and many people have Facebook as their main or even sole source of information. Imagine all the disinformation you see debunked every day, then double that at least, and realize most people seeing it on their feed actually believe it. Such people might actually believe a Biden win could result in Antifa coming to their town, turning all their kids gay or trans, burning all statues of Jesus, etc. I bet there was some story on Facebook claiming that this vote counting was actually some plot to steal the election.

I keep hearing about those too. To them, any vote counted is "stolen" it's just ridiculous.

 

[SuperMatt]

Looks like Trump needs to win every remaining state to win. This race is already decided... we are just waiting for them to count the votes.

 

[Thomas Veil]

I’m digging the freakout Fox viewers are having when their favorite channel calls states for Biden

 

[SuperMatt]

I keep hearing about those too. To them, any vote counted is "stolen" it's just ridiculous.

How does somebody show up to a pizza place with a gun trying to save the supposedly enslaved children in their basement? That is the level of propaganda that 50% of America is consuming daily. Seriously, if we shut down Facebook tomorrow, this country might have a chance to regain its sanity.

 

[lizkat]

I'd like to see a grass roots movement (actually regardless of who wins) that aims to have a reoccurring dialogue from all sides including the far right and far left (probably not the extremes) where everybody is allowed to articulate their concerns and values and see how that can be respected and integrated but with a willingness to compromise. I'd also like to hear how those viewpoints were formed. Was if personal experience? Was it family? Was it media? Geographical differences and related concerns would also be a good topic. Also not in a debate atmosphere but where counter views can be discussed. Basically, the establishment's worse nightmare.

It can be done but takes some ground rules about distinct "seasons" of the process: first the brainstorming where all ideas can go on the table and no one gets to shut something down because some "third rail" / "sacred cow" item looks to be getting a turn in the barrel... and only later on comes the winnowing out, with talk of economic feasibility and how political will and potlical capital figure into the picture.

Right now first thing happens is someone says "let's do XYZ because yada yada" and someone slams a newspaper on the table and says are u f'g crazy the insurance companies / gun lobby / right wing / Democrats / seniors / White House / oil patch / tree huggers will never go for that, fuhgeddaboudit.

Or taking it to the town council level, someone says "Nah, Jack won't like that" and that's the end of it bc Jack owns the vacant lot across from the local Dollar Store and someone else has proposed a village garden or a motorbike repair shop or something and Jack always figured that could be turned into a parking lot.

We have to get to where no one is "cancelled" because they uttered a sentence with a hot button word in it from the wrong side of all these damn fences we've allowed to be put up.

The only way progressives, conservatives, moderates, establishment types are going to get a real seat at one table together is for no one to have the right to cancel someone else's idea at brainstorming session.

To agree not to winnow out any ideas as unsuitable in the first ten seconds... ok, it's hard.

Everyone at this point has certain almost reflexive "cancellation" impulses when they hear partisan trigger words related to US policy. But we can retrain ourselves if we really care to re-establish effectively democratic negotiations on policy and on appropriations related to policy decisions.

This stuff is starting to happen at local government levels in the past few years as progressives have won some elections and tried to get councils and town halls to be more inclusive even against their own inclinations, i.e. not really wanting to listen to conservative old fogies after managing to win a couple seats on the council, but doing it anyway. It's not easy but change is still possible. I'll never vote for another Republican as long as I live after experiences of the past 12 years especially... but I'm willing to listen to current conservative officials' ideas about improving a town's functionality or appearance etc.

 

[lizkat]

OK this is what I've been waiting for. The GOP is starting to sober up insofar as that bunch is capable of that. They won their own re-elections, the Senate looks safe or narrowly maneuverable and so they're signalling that they're getting ready to kiss Trump off. There will likely be no more RNC money thrown in his direction for unwarranted recounts or whatever. He's done.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

It can be done but takes some ground rules about distinct "seasons" of the process: first the brainstorming where all ideas can go on the table and no one gets to shut something down because some "third rail" / "sacred cow" item looks to be getting a turn in the barrel... and only later on comes the winnowing out, with talk of economic feasibility and how political will and potlical capital figure into the picture.

Right now first thing happens is someone says "let's do XYZ because yada yada" and someone slams a newspaper on the table and says are u f'g crazy the insurance companies / gun lobby / right wing / Democrats / seniors / White House / oil patch / tree huggers will never go for that, fuhgeddaboudit.

Or taking it to the town council level, someone says "Nah, Jack won't like that" and that's the end of it bc Jack owns the vacant lot across from the local Dollar Store and someone else has proposed a village garden or a motorbike repair shop or something and Jack always figured that could be turned into a parking lot.

We have to get to where no one is "cancelled" because they uttered a sentence with a hot button word in it from the wrong side of all these damn fences we've allowed to be put up.

The only way progressives, conservatives, moderates, establishment types are going to get a real seat at one table together is for no one to have the right to cancel someone else's idea at brainstorming session.

To agree not to winnow out any ideas as unsuitable in the first ten seconds... ok, it's hard.

Everyone at this point has certain almost reflexive "cancellation" impulses when they hear partisan trigger words related to US policy. But we can retrain ourselves if we really care to re-establish effectively democratic negotiations on policy and on appropriations related to policy decisions.

This stuff is starting to happen at local government levels in the past few years as progressives have won some elections and tried to get councils and town halls to be more inclusive even against their own inclinations, i.e. not really wanting to listen to conservative old fogies after managing to win a couple seats on the council, but doing it anyway. It's not easy but change is still possible. I'll never vote for another Republican as long as I live after experiences of the past 12 years especially... but I'm willing to listen to current conservative officials' ideas about improving a town's functionality or appearance etc.

Agreed. A major first step would be learning how to listen and communicate with each other, like "when you say this, I translate it as meaning this." And again, if what they are saying is exactly what is triggering you, where is that coming from? Both their conclusion and your trigger?

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Looks like Trump needs to win every remaining state to win. This race is already decided... we are just waiting for them to count the votes.

Do we have the official picture of a bag of dicks to post on MR yet?

 

[iMi]

At this point, I am thinking Biden will ultimately carry PA and possibly GA. This may be a repeat of 2018 and not 2016.

You all know how I feel about Trump and his supporters, but it's undeniable that they have spoken up. I don't believe they are all racists, hateful bigots. Something else is going on. It's time for Democrats to listen. Just listen. What is driving them? It doesn't mean we concede on social justice, racial equality or women's health issues. It just means, listen... listen to what is going on with that population. Find common ground. We have to somehow heal this nation. Biden is the ideal person to do this, so I am hopeful.

 

[iMi]

A crowd in Detroit was pounding on the glass at the convention center demanding "Stop the Count!!!"

Ok.

Biden is leading by enough of a margin that cnn has called Michigan for him.

What do these spraying morons hope to accomplish?

Trump: Stop the count in Pennsylvania!

Also Trump: Keep counting in Nevada!

Mr. President, you don't get to choose your electorate. The electorate gets to choose you.

 

[Yoused]

DailyKos headline:
Whatever happens next, Americans are pretty sure they want to be stoned when it does

(several cannabis legalization measures passed)