The Election Day Thread

[Huntn]

I heard a interesting comment today about why Texas did not turn blue and it was blamed on Hispanics. Before you scream, it is Hispanics in Texas who mostly rely on the service industry for their livelihoods, weekly paychecks and the sooner everything is reopened, regardless if anyone shows up, their perception that getting their jobs back was a better situation than possibly getting sick with COVID. Hence the perception, a vote for Trump along with all his assanary was the best route for this election, for them.

I can’t claim just how accurate that is, but it sounds very possible when looking at a demographic that lives paycheck to paycheck.

 

[JayMysteri0]

Exactly.
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324114936851800065/

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324050932993298438/

 

[Yoused]

things are looking much better

bear in mind that in 1876, Samuel J. Tilden got 50.9% of the popular vote

 

[lizkat]

I am a little lost at this part of the thread. If you are asking if a president ever has served non consecutive terms then yes it has happened with Cleveland. However if you are asking if Trump can come back in 2024, no he will be way too old and in jail.

In theory Trump could come back in 2024. But do we think even this version of the GOP and associated Republican National Committee would renominate him... no flippin' way.

I am pretty sure despite what some of the Trump progeny may think, the Republicans are done with the Trump dynasty right about now. Time will tell. I've been way wrong before on anything related to Donald Trump and politics... but this guy will have ended up costing the Republicans way more than he ever brought to the table for them. They have shown themselves to be thoroughly despicable, corrupt, cruel and almost as inept as Trump is in terms of legislating in the actual interests of the USA. And his claim to fame? That he expanded their base by every white supremacist group in the FBI's books.

 

[JayMysteri0]

I heard a interesting comment today about why Texas did not turn blue and it was blamed on Hispanics. Before you scream, it is Hispanics in Texas who mostly rely on the service industry for their livelihoods, weekly paychecks and the sooner everything is reopened, regardless if anyone shows up, their perception that getting their jobs back was a better situation than possibly getting sick with COVID. Hence the perception, a vote for Trump along with all his assanary was the best route for this election, for them.

I can’t claim just how accurate that is, but it sounds very possible when looking at a demographic that lives paycheck to paycheck.

My response to that, is that despite Florida, despite Texas, that sentiment isn't just with Hispanics.

If you remember the endless back & forth over in the other place about Stay @ home orders, there' be the likes 'Life cereal eaters' who wanted to call it a 'Lockdown'. They'd cry endlessly because they lived in areas where the pandemic hadn't run rampant, why should they be punished? Sound familiar? Because it wasn't affecting them badly in their part of NY, why should they have to be cautious like the ravaged NYC? They should be able to go back to work, make their living, and too bad for NYC. They cheered along with 'said lesses' when conservative outlets mistook beginning of the month moving as fleeing the city for suburbs, from the dystopian riot leveled virus hellhole that Manhattan had surely become.

For such individuals, they see only their previous lives uninterrupted as being what's important, not what is causing the interruption. In desperation they will grasp for the person who promises hope is around the corner, even though that person has made the slight d@mn effort to take any steps towards solving the pandemic. It isn't just Hispanics, it's anyone who thinks this will just go away and OTHERS should make the sacrifices so they can get back to what they knew.

As far as Hispanics go, I think you need to look this way. For the longest time, many of the hardest working Hispanic people have also been very religious.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324134752270639104/

 

[JayMysteri0]

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324114224998608896/

 

[JayMysteri0]

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324135244442853376/

 

[hulugu]

I'm thinking of a new coalition made up of people who left the GOP, people who are still in it but disgusted with Trump and McConnell, and independents.


I think you meant ten years.

Argh. My skull is just a bowl of tapioca pudding at this point.

 

[JayMysteri0]

For the first time, anyone from the 45 family talking sounds like music to me...

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324112536803880962/

Also, I think there's some sarcasm in the next tweet
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324059733553106944/

 

[lizkat]

As far as Hispanics go, I think you need to look this way. For the longest time, many of the hardest working Hispanic people have also been very religious.

Yah, there are a lot of reasons why Hispanics --not a monolithic cultural bloc anyway-- may tend to vote Republican tickets. Here are some of them:

1. Small biz owners often lean right on tax policies.

2. Some Spanish speaking immigrants or their descendants hail from places with regimes run by left wing totalitarians, or from say Cuba or Chile where leftists had displaced a right wing government and opposition followers departed from property and lost possessions that they could not later recover. Stuff like that is not easily forgotten, no matter who discounts perceived similarities to Democratic Party platforms in the USA.

3. Religious conservatives: anti-choice, sometimes anti LGBTQ.

4. Don't laugh: some who just got here may figure that's enough, so let's shut the door already. I've heard a few Somalis say that about the idea of admitting Syrian refugees... it's not really all that unusual to want to pull the sea ladder up into the boat after climbing aboard. Just because you land in America doesn't mean you leave tribalism behind. We still have St. Patrick's Day parades...

5. Some legal immigrants strongly dissapprove of even fellow former countrymen "jumping the line" and entering without papers... when they themselves had previously queued up and hassled their way through all the hoops to get proper paperwork themselves.

 

[lizkat]

For the first time, anyone from the 45 family talking sounds like music to me...

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324112536803880962/

Also, I think there's some sarcasm in the next tweet
https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324059733553106944/

As someone who has been an election worker I'm really insulted by these R idiots carrying on about the highly supervised vote counting effort as somehow inherently fraudulent. Fuck them. It's hard work, it's a thankless job, it takes a long time and is generally a pain in the ass because every detail matters and it's important to follow the rules and try to retain and count votes on ballots that could have errors on the choice for one office but not for others etc. These tweets with videos of Trump fans harassing the election workers just drive me up the wall.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Ever happened? I’m guessing not. But it might take the next term of four years to evict this one!

I am a little lost at this part of the thread. If you are asking if a president ever has served non consecutive terms then yes it has happened with Cleveland. However if you are asking if Trump can come back in 2024, no he will be way too old and in jail.

Yes, it happened with Grover Cleveland but you are going back to the late 1880s and early 1890s for that; it could well have happened also Theodore Roosevelt, but didn't.

 

[lizkat]

Bright side info: My first-term Dem congress critter was re-elected in a conservative district that is otherwise going for Trump roughly 2-1 again.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Ted Bundy was on death row for a decade. He loved doing interviews, talking to the police and psychologists about his murders and other serial killers and their possible MO. He was quite conformable in that. As time was approaching for him to pay the piper he started getting a little freaked out and exclaiming he had more victims than they knew about and he wanted to help them out on those cases for the families. Legal system: "Sorry bro."

I feel like that's what Trump is doing here with his "Stop counting the votes!". Out of office he's looking at paying the piper for decades of his corruption, lying, and tax avoidance. And maybe (hopefully) realizing a good part of his support group are either in jail because of him, have been in jail because of him, or will swiftly abandon ship when he has no power and is little more than a loudmouthed shelf-entitled lump of failure. Legal system: "Sorry bro."

 

[Eric]

Biden has asked all of his staff not to mock or hit Trump right now. THIS is what I expect from a president, we know that's not how Trump operates but we can expect better from ourselves. Joe is showing some class here.

 

[Huntn]

I do have to agree on this part. They will run Trump or Trump Jr. or some other lunatic in 2024.

The best thing that can happen is that a third party emerges. It'd be good for the Republicans and the Democrats.


You could be right in everything you said. I guess the weeks and months ahead will tell.


Christ on a cross...


He "claims" states? Someone needs to tell him this isn't the NFL and these states are not on waivers.

I agree to the third party if we move away from winner take all. Don’t ask me how or what.

 

[Huntn]

My response to that, is that despite Florida, despite Texas, that sentiment isn't just with Hispanics.

If you remember the endless back & forth over in the other place about Stay @ home orders, there' be the likes 'Life cereal eaters' who wanted to call it a 'Lockdown'. They'd cry endlessly because they lived in areas where the pandemic hadn't run rampant, why should they be punished? Sound familiar? Because it wasn't affecting them badly in their part of NY, why should they have to be cautious like the ravaged NYC? They should be able to go back to work, make their living, and too bad for NYC. They cheered along with 'said lesses' when conservative outlets mistook beginning of the month moving as fleeing the city for suburbs, from the dystopian riot leveled virus hellhole that Manhattan had surely become.

For such individuals, they see only their previous lives uninterrupted as being what's important, not what is causing the interruption. In desperation they will grasp for the person who promises hope is around the corner, even though that person has made the slight d@mn effort to take any steps towards solving the pandemic. It isn't just Hispanics, it's anyone who thinks this will just go away and OTHERS should make the sacrifices so they can get back to what they knew.

As far as Hispanics go, I think you need to look this way. For the longest time, many of the hardest working Hispanic people have also been very religious.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324134752270639104/

So religion can cloud the mind of all ethnic groups... I knew that.
Thanks for the perspective. I had actually heard this argumrnt before but just not applied to Hispanics specifically In Texas. I was just having a hard time imagining Hispanics in Texas choosing the Republican Party. It’s like hens wanting to live in the Fox House.

 

[lizkat]

I like this tweet a lot, even if the silverware's getting loaded into the truck.

https://www.twitter.com/i/web/status/1324146966234714113/

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Biden has asked all of his staff not to mock or hit Trump right now. THIS is what I expect from a president, we know that's not how Trump operates but we can expect better from ourselves. Joe is showing some class here.

Did Biden mention anything about the MR forums?

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

I agree to the third party if we move away from winner take all. Don’t ask me how or what.

I'd like to see a grass roots movement (actually regardless of who wins) that aims to have a reoccurring dialogue from all sides including the far right and far left (probably not the extremes) where everybody is allowed to articulate their concerns and values and see how that can be respected and integrated but with a willingness to compromise. I'd also like to hear how those viewpoints were formed. Was if personal experience? Was it family? Was it media? Geographical differences and related concerns would also be a good topic. Also not in a debate atmosphere but where counter views can be discussed. Basically, the establishment's worse nightmare.