Transgender, a Challenge for the Conservative Mindset
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Actually, there are only about five or six females on this forum anyway, and just for kicks I went back and looked through the entire thread and guess what -- we all at one point or another have posted in this thread. So whatever point you were trying to make isn't going to cut the mustard.....
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But out of 10 pages, I don't think they are carrying the discussion. It is mainly men.
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Is this argument to support your post about the SC upholding the transgender ban. Sorry I was on hiatus during the holiday break, and had minimal pop ins with this forum. So I don't want to read into things before I responded to you.
However on your second point, no one in the legal suit in question is arguing about letting a boy in the girls shower room.
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It's just their way of taking things to a level that doesn't exist in order to display faux outrage. I suspect it's much like it was back in the days of segregation "they want to take over and invade our sense of decency!" type of thing, when in reality it will have zero impact on their every day lives.
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here is one example. all doors have a regular lock they are all wide open and sicks all exposed so people can feel safe.
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I remember this being said in regard to the potential of biological boys, who identify as girls, sexually assaulting girls in a girls bathroom.
And then it happened. Thrice. One kid did it twice, the second time after he was transferred to another school to keep it quiet. And then it happened again in another district.
So these things do exist.
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Wow did you take the ball and fabricate a whole new narrative with that... So in the Virginia case where it happened twice with the same accuser, it was not about a transgender assault on a girl in the bathroom. This was a relationship sexual assault in which they agreed to meet up in the bathroom at a predetermined time. They had a consensual sexual relationship in the past, but this time she wanted just to talk and said no. That is clearly a sexual assault but not a transgender taking advantage of a "loop hole" to assault girls as in the argument you are clearly trying to make. Also, the perpetrator in the case was indeed wearing a skirt, but they didn't have authorization to use the girls bathroom. The third attack didn't happen in the bathroom, it happened in an empty classroom. So yes we do have an individual here that seems to have some criminal activity, but does this mean all transgendered people are criminals? Should we put this case up against all the countless boys sexually assaulting girls in bathrooms, and countless other areas in schools across this country?
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A meme is not an argument, - still less a substitute for an argument - just a lazy way to try to crack a cheap visual joke.Concerned Conservatives...
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I stand corrected on this one. I had not read this information and it seems it came out at trial.
What is not clear though is the circumstances around the second girl he assaulted at a different school. Sounds like the boy has issues.
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Correct about the second sexual assault. I am wondering who dropped the ball at that school district. One thing is for sure, is that there is too much "boys will be boys" attitude in this country, and sexual crimes in school do not get the same amount of scrutiny that an adult would get.
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The superintendent was fired in December. You can't cover that sort of thing up.
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Here is the example of the slippery slope. Now conservatives are trying to ban medical treatment for full fledged adults. Current proposed bills in Oklahoma is to blocking coverage for “gender transition procedures” to individuals younger than 26.
https://apple.news/AsFrdNXF9T-ubfx_ssIQWkg
https://apple.news/AsFrdNXF9T-ubfx_ssIQWkg
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I recently read an article about actress Bella Ramsay.
en.wikipedia.org
I found the context of ‘they’ to be less clear than it could be as far as my understanding of the pronoun ‘they’.
“They are known for their breakthrough role as young noblewoman”
I understand the idea of being non-binary, but my impression that when referring to a person, a single individual, for clarity purpose, it would be better to designate a new word that indicates a single non-binary person, and not use a word that typically indicates more than one person,. Maybe it’s just 7 decades of thinking of ‘they’ as plural. As I said, I understand it, they don’t think of themselves as more than one person, but don’t want to be locked into the idea of he or she. I propose a new word that represents this. I don’t think this particulate word would be acceptable, but as just an example ‘shed’. He grew up, She grew up, Shed grew up. Thoughts?
Or maybe everyone is fine with ‘they’. But I think it would in many cases require more words to be clear what ‘they’ means in context as far as referring to one or to a group.
Bella Ramsey - Wikipedia
I found the context of ‘they’ to be less clear than it could be as far as my understanding of the pronoun ‘they’.
“They are known for their breakthrough role as young noblewoman”
I understand the idea of being non-binary, but my impression that when referring to a person, a single individual, for clarity purpose, it would be better to designate a new word that indicates a single non-binary person, and not use a word that typically indicates more than one person,. Maybe it’s just 7 decades of thinking of ‘they’ as plural. As I said, I understand it, they don’t think of themselves as more than one person, but don’t want to be locked into the idea of he or she. I propose a new word that represents this. I don’t think this particulate word would be acceptable, but as just an example ‘shed’. He grew up, She grew up, Shed grew up. Thoughts?
Or maybe everyone is fine with ‘they’. But I think it would in many cases require more words to be clear what ‘they’ means in context as far as referring to one or to a group.
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I recently read an article about actress Bella Ramsay.
Bella Ramsey - Wikipedia
I found the context of ‘they’ to be less clear than it could be as far as my understanding of the pronoun ‘they’.
“They are known for their breakthrough role as young noblewoman”
I understand the idea of being non-binary, but my impression that when referring to a person, a single individual, for clarity purpose, it would be better to designate a new word that indicates a single non-binary person, and not use a word that typically indicates more than one person,. Maybe it’s just 7 decades of thinking of ‘they’ as plural. As I said, I understand it, they don’t think of themselves as more than one person, but don’t want to be locked into the idea of he or she. I propose a new word that represents this. I don’t think this particulate word would be acceptable, but as just an example ‘shed’. He grew up, She grew up, Shed grew up. Thoughts?
Or maybe everyone is fine with ‘they’. But I think it would in many cases require more words to be clear what ‘they’ means in context as far as referring to one or to a group.
I am all for something different, because I have a tough time using they. It is so foreign to my old brain, and try as I might to honor the dignity of those who wish that I use the correct pronoun, I often stumble back into my habitual he/she pronoun.
I believe there has been a whole neo-pronoun movement, but I don't think that it took root, or just hasn't had time to flourish.
https://lgbt.foundation/help/understanding-pronouns/
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Since we went to school some grammar rules have changed. We were never taught the Oxford comma, and now apparently you can end a sentence with a preposition.
So if those changes can be implemented, then we can come up with a pronoun to indicate when you don’t know the gender.
I have used the he/she but it’s cumbersome.
Do other languages have a non-gendered singular pronoun?
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I was thinking of xe/xem/xyr I'm currently reading a series where these are used throughout. It's not too bad. I hate using the plural subject pronoun for a singular individual.
They're struggling with it as we are in English.
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Is it really though? I mean I live arguably the most pronoun sensitive area on the planet and I have never once struggled with this, not a single time, and neither has anyone I personally know. If it's cumbersome then it's because you're you're making it that way for yourself when it's absolutely unnecessary.
Seriously, that bubble has to be mind numbing. It's like there's an entire world of real things going on out there and Conservatives are afraid to turn off Fox News and leave the comfort of their right wing couch to see for themselves.