Trump 2: Electric Fuckyougaloo

[KingOfPain]

And yes, I approve of most of his agenda.

Can you specify what you mean by most, or what the exceptions are?

Because from my point of view, most of his agenda points seem to be from the Project 2025 playbook, which is a road straight to fascism.

 

[DT]

Donald J. Trump was is a president from, but not of, New York.

(Unfortunately it's no longer past-tense ...)

Ours friends from NYC laugh their asses off at the assertion he's a "typical New Yorker"

https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/articles/2020-11-13/donald-trump-raised-and-rejected-by-new-york-city

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

While we continue our race to the bottom…

French Far-Right Leader Marine Le Pen Sentenced to Four Years in Prison for Embezzlement and Five-Year Ban on Holding Office, Ruling Out 2027 Presidential Run

Marine Le Pen, the French far-right leader who ran for president three times, has been barred from running for office for the next five years.

variety.com

Other countries actually follow their laws and don’t cower to the far right. Toss South Korea and Brazil in there while we’re at it. Guess those countries don’t have an exceptional amount of idiots in their population, our most precious resource.

 

[Eric]

While we continue our race to the bottom…

French Far-Right Leader Marine Le Pen Sentenced to Four Years in Prison for Embezzlement and Five-Year Ban on Holding Office, Ruling Out 2027 Presidential Run

Marine Le Pen, the French far-right leader who ran for president three times, has been barred from running for office for the next five years.

variety.com

Other countries actually follow their laws and don’t cower to the far right. Toss South Korea and Brazil in there while we’re at it. Guess those countries don’t have an exceptional amount of idiots in their population, our most precious resource.

Not in the United States, we don't lock our criminals up, we make them president.

 

[GermanSuplex]

He’s literally got a guy fresh out of prison (Navarro) on his team - a felon out there touting that tariffs are a tax cut to the working class.

Hell of an agenda to support.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Can you specify what you mean by most, or what the exceptions are?

Because from my point of view, most of his agenda points seem to be from the Project 2025 playbook, which is a road straight to fascism.

Not speaking for herdfan on this, but generally speaking there are plenty of people in the US right now perfectly fine with fascism by definition, never mind that never results or ends well for most of the citizens. These are the people who think the government should be run like a business instead of protecting them from the abuses of business. They also believe making other people’s life worse makes their life better.

 

[Eric]

Frankly, I find this hard to believe, he was going to end this on his first day with a single phone call.

Russia "cannot accept" Trump's Ukraine peace plans

"We have not heard from Trump a signal to Kyiv to end the war."

www.newsweek.com

 

[Katbel]

 

[fooferdoggie]

 

[GermanSuplex]

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If it’s black, fight back. If it’s brown, lay down. If it’s white, good night. If it’s red, pretend to be racist Uncle Fred.

Got to keep safe up there.

 

[KingOfPain]

Not speaking for herdfan on this, but generally speaking there are plenty of people in the US right now perfectly fine with fascism by definition, never mind that never results or ends well for most of the citizens. These are the people who think the government should be run like a business instead of protecting them from the abuses of business. They also believe making other people’s life worse makes their life better.

I wanted to provide Herdfan with the chance to renounce fascism. If he doesn't respond, we'll know where he stands.

I'm guessing there might be three reasons why people knowingly or unknowingly support fascism:

1. They don't have any idea what fascism actually means.
2. They don't know how to recognize fascism. (Like Russians claiming to fight against fascism in Ukraine, when Putin clearly is a fascist leader.)
3. They actively want fascism, because they believe it will make their lives better (and in some rare cases that will be true).

Points 1 and 2 are often a lack of education, which is why certain demographic groups can be swayed by populist media to support politics that aren't in their best personal interests.
Given the rise of the AfD (which is only slightly less fascist than the forbidden NPD), I would say even in Germany that education seems to be slipping, or a lot of people never received it. One of my colleagues told me that practically everyone but him in the appartment house he lives in, wanted to vote for the AfD. But according to him, those are mostly people with a migration background, and they don't seem to understand that the AfD is a party for racists.

Even I have a hard time deciding who to vote for. The traditional parties have become either way too right (CDU) or are just a joke now (FDP). The SPD seems to have dropped all its original ideas, and people who were put into concentration camps by the Nazis, because they belonged to the SPD, wouldn't recognize the party anymore.
"Die Linke" (literally "The Left") was a possible protest vote, but one of their current goals is to cut funding for Ukraine, which is a no-go for me.
All other parties are either radical, too small, or a joke.

In the US there are just two clear choices (does it make sense to vote Independent?):

• One party represents the upper 1%, which includes themselves. And they haven't made politics for the general population for decades. I can only assume that it is due to bad education and lies by populist media like Fox News that a lot of people a duped to voting for them.
• The other party is far from perfect, but they at least occasionally try to make some laws that are positive for the general population.

It doesn't help that a lot of Americans seem to think that social democracy and communism are the same thing. Communism was never implemented as Marx defined it, and it never will, because humans are egoistical creatures.
What I find odd is the fact that Americans are averse to paying taxes for public relief, but if someone is down on their luck they start a GoFundMe campaign and they often receive enough money.

But coming back to the original point, I called Trump a fascist during his first term, long before political analysts did so. I'm guessing they are hesitant to do so, because I doubt that I'm better at picking up the signs of fascism than a well-educated political analyst.
When Project 2025 was brought up during the election, Trump claimed he never heard of it, despite the fact that dozens of his ex-staff had worked on it. But Trump would never lie, would he?
Now that Project 2025 seems to be at least one of the major driving forces of the Trump administration (no doubt due to people like Stephen Miller), the previous outcry from the right about that program seems to have been silenced.

 

[Eric]

Leopards at Meghan McCain's face.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Dozens of free measles vaccine clinics close in Texas as federal funding is cut​

Dozens of free measles vaccine clinics close in Texas as federal funding is cut

Many clinics had been planned at schools in the Dallas area with low vaccination rates.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[fooferdoggie]

​

they eat their own.​

GOP Rep's Farms Raided By ICE After She Says She Became 'Target' Of Far Right​

GOP Official Called ICE On Rep.'s Farms After She Spoke Out Against Immigration Bill

A local GOP official claimed he reported Idaho state Rep. Stephanie Mickelsen because she "bragged about hiring illegals."

www.huffpost.com

 

[rdrr]

I wanted to provide Herdfan with the chance to renounce fascism. If he doesn't respond, we'll know where he stands.

I'm guessing there might be three reasons why people knowingly or unknowingly support fascism:

1. They don't have any idea what fascism actually means.
2. They don't know how to recognize fascism. (Like Russians claiming to fight against fascism in Ukraine, when Putin clearly is a fascist leader.)
3. They actively want fascism, because they believe it will make their lives better (and in some rare cases that will be true).

Points 1 and 2 are often a lack of education, which is why certain demographic groups can be swayed by populist media to support politics that aren't in their best personal interests.
Given the rise of the AfD (which is only slightly less fascist than the forbidden NPD), I would say even in Germany that education seems to be slipping, or a lot of people never received it. One of my colleagues told me that practically everyone but him in the appartment house he lives in, wanted to vote for the AfD. But according to him, those are mostly people with a migration background, and they don't seem to understand that the AfD is a party for racists.

Even I have a hard time deciding who to vote for. The traditional parties have become either way too right (CDU) or are just a joke now (FDP). The SPD seems to have dropped all its original ideas, and people who were put into concentration camps by the Nazis, because they belonged to the SPD, wouldn't recognize the party anymore.
"Die Linke" (literally "The Left") was a possible protest vote, but one of their current goals is to cut funding for Ukraine, which is a no-go for me.
All other parties are either radical, too small, or a joke.

In the US there are just two clear choices (does it make sense to vote Independent?):

• One party represents the upper 1%, which includes themselves. And they haven't made politics for the general population for decades. I can only assume that it is due to bad education and lies by populist media like Fox News that a lot of people a duped to voting for them.
• The other party is far from perfect, but they at least occasionally try to make some laws that are positive for the general population.

It doesn't help that a lot of Americans seem to think that social democracy and communism are the same thing. Communism was never implemented as Marx defined it, and it never will, because humans are egoistical creatures.
What I find odd is the fact that Americans are averse to paying taxes for public relief, but if someone is down on their luck they start a GoFundMe campaign and they often receive enough money.

But coming back to the original point, I called Trump a fascist during his first term, long before political analysts did so. I'm guessing they are hesitant to do so, because I doubt that I'm better at picking up the signs of fascism than a well-educated political analyst.
When Project 2025 was brought up during the election, Trump claimed he never heard of it, despite the fact that dozens of his ex-staff had worked on it. But Trump would never lie, would he?
Now that Project 2025 seems to be at least one of the major driving forces of the Trump administration (no doubt due to people like Stephen Miller), the previous outcry from the right about that program seems to have been silenced.

There is also option 4
4. They actively want fascism, because they want to see others suffer and believe it won't effect them. These are mean and stupid people, who celebrate their miserable lives by making sure others are more miserable than themselves.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

I wanted to provide Herdfan with the chance to renounce fascism. If he doesn't respond, we'll know where he stands.

I'm guessing there might be three reasons why people knowingly or unknowingly support fascism:

1. They don't have any idea what fascism actually means.
2. They don't know how to recognize fascism. (Like Russians claiming to fight against fascism in Ukraine, when Putin clearly is a fascist leader.)
3. They actively want fascism, because they believe it will make their lives better (and in some rare cases that will be true).

Points 1 and 2 are often a lack of education, which is why certain demographic groups can be swayed by populist media to support politics that aren't in their best personal interests.
Given the rise of the AfD (which is only slightly less fascist than the forbidden NPD), I would say even in Germany that education seems to be slipping, or a lot of people never received it. One of my colleagues told me that practically everyone but him in the appartment house he lives in, wanted to vote for the AfD. But according to him, those are mostly people with a migration background, and they don't seem to understand that the AfD is a party for racists.

Even I have a hard time deciding who to vote for. The traditional parties have become either way too right (CDU) or are just a joke now (FDP). The SPD seems to have dropped all its original ideas, and people who were put into concentration camps by the Nazis, because they belonged to the SPD, wouldn't recognize the party anymore.
"Die Linke" (literally "The Left") was a possible protest vote, but one of their current goals is to cut funding for Ukraine, which is a no-go for me.
All other parties are either radical, too small, or a joke.

In the US there are just two clear choices (does it make sense to vote Independent?):

• One party represents the upper 1%, which includes themselves. And they haven't made politics for the general population for decades. I can only assume that it is due to bad education and lies by populist media like Fox News that a lot of people a duped to voting for them.
• The other party is far from perfect, but they at least occasionally try to make some laws that are positive for the general population.

It doesn't help that a lot of Americans seem to think that social democracy and communism are the same thing. Communism was never implemented as Marx defined it, and it never will, because humans are egoistical creatures.
What I find odd is the fact that Americans are averse to paying taxes for public relief, but if someone is down on their luck they start a GoFundMe campaign and they often receive enough money.

But coming back to the original point, I called Trump a fascist during his first term, long before political analysts did so. I'm guessing they are hesitant to do so, because I doubt that I'm better at picking up the signs of fascism than a well-educated political analyst.
When Project 2025 was brought up during the election, Trump claimed he never heard of it, despite the fact that dozens of his ex-staff had worked on it. But Trump would never lie, would he?
Now that Project 2025 seems to be at least one of the major driving forces of the Trump administration (no doubt due to people like Stephen Miller), the previous outcry from the right about that program seems to have been silenced.

The fascists curious think it has solutions to their fear and hate when in reality it just perpetuates it. The list of "others" to scapegoat grows and never ends up to the point that they eventually make the list. Even if the economic realities changes their status to homeless they still better not question the wisdom and plan of the leader.

 

[fooferdoggie]

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Ezra Klein is running the circuit promoting his book Abundance which is critical of Democrats, especially blue states, for not accomplishing their goals due to red tape, long existing and newly added. He picks blue states because they can't blame Republican obstruction. Democrat legislation is full of chances for special interests groups from state, corporate, or even home owners to throw a wrench in the spokes to the point that nothing gets done. He specifically mentions the rural broadband initiative that didn't get done after 3 years due to the 14 required steps including long filing windows and getting planning approvals of approvals. Again, this wasn't Republican's fault. This was Democrats doing it to themselves.

Having said that, for the price of eggs Trump voters we are now being told that Trump's economic plans aren't in months. He's thinking in terms of decades or even centuries. Are you fucking kidding me? So we now have to listen to Trump apologist contrarian dullards say we can't be critical of his economic agenda for at least several hundred years? How are the voters who couldn't handle 4 years of slight discomfort going to wait that one out?

 

[Eric]

Ezra Klein is running the circuit promoting his book Abundance which is critical of Democrats, especially blue states, for not accomplishing their goals due to red tape, long existing and newly added. He picks blue states because they can't blame Republican obstruction. Democrat legislation is full of chances for special interests groups from state, corporate, or even home owners to throw a wrench in the spokes to the point that nothing gets done. He specifically mentions the rural broadband initiative that didn't get done after 3 years due to the 14 required steps including long filing windows and getting planning approvals of approvals. Again, this wasn't Republican's fault. This was Democrats doing it to themselves.

Having said that, for the price of eggs Trump voters we are now being told that Trump's economic plans aren't in months. He's thinking in terms of decades or even centuries. Are you fucking kidding me? So we now have to listen to Trump apologist contrarian dullards say we can't be critical of his economic agenda for at least several hundred years? How are the voters who couldn't handle 4 years of slight discomfort going to wait that one out?

He's 100% right to criticize Democrats on that. You've never seen them more complacent than the last time that had full control of both houses and the presidency. Now they want to cry about Republicans after blowing every opportunity they had?

There is middle ground here IMO, we can't tie everything up in red tape and expect real work to progress, and we can't shit on all the little people just to make billionaires more billionairey. Right now all we have is a bitter divide of one side vs the other.

 

[Herdfan]

Right now all we have is a bitter divide of one side vs the other.

But what are the two sides?

Left vs Right?
Rich vs Poor?
Urban vs Rural?
Combination?