USA Election 2024

[dada_dave]

This is beginning to remind me of the Brexit referendum.
A lot of people didn't vote, because they thought it wouldn't matter or the worst simply wouldn't happen.
Afterwards, the people who did vote for Brexit were surprised that:

• They suddenly had to pay tariffs, because they weren't in the EU anymore.
• Goods could be delayed due to customs.
• The money paid to the EU was highly exagerated and was not suddenly and completely used for health care.
• They weren't allowed to fish in Irish waters anymore.
• etc

It would have take just a few brain cells to see through the lies and estimate the real consequences.

• What tariffs are payed by us? But Trump said something different! Tump is a bloody idiot and has no idea how tariffs work and you are an idiot for believing someone who lies at least as easily as he breathes instead of checking it for yourself.
• He wouldn't mess with health care, would he? He tried to kill ACA the last time he was president (probably primarily because he wanted to eliminate everything that Obama did), but he didn't manage, because "no one knew how hard it is". What makes you think that he won't try again?
• He wouldn't mess with education, would he? Did everyone forget about Betsy DeVos?

What I don't get is that normal people believe such lies without ever trying to check for themselves. And they seem to have a memory like squirrels, because they must have totally forgotten what Trump did during his first term.

BTW, Seth Meyers showed lost of clips during his Closer Look segment, where right-wing commentators were talking about "liberal tears".
Not only are Republicans sore losers, they are also bad winners, because I'm pretty sure, had Kamala Harris won, liberal commentators would not comment about "Republican tears", but rather utter a sigh of relief and talk about the positive road ahead.

One of the most common Google searches in the UK following the Brexit referendum was “what is Brexit?”

 

[Huntn]

…but cheaper eggs will make it worth it.​

Predators poising as benefactors are evidently better sheep herders.
“Exit polls reflected many voters turned to Trump because of their frustrations with high inflation and the cost of living.”
You don’t know (cause you’re STUPID) just how expensive your eggs just became.
Remember when we thought they’d surely come to their senses? No they won’t, not ever, they’ll just careen in a new likely self defeating direction.

The punch line: who caused high inflation and cost of living? The first Trump Administration YOU FREAKING MORONS. What is inexcusable is signing away our Democratic Republic for Fascism, and you’ll personally deserve every bit of pain and suffering you’ve reaped upon yourselves.

https://flipboard.com/@huffingtonpost/news-politics-g39bhflcz/-/a-_B-DLSmPTn6TS5KitAhZNw%3Aa%3A52948404-%2F0

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/daniel-lurie-mayors-race-win-means-for-sf-19878539.php

Hopefully this works out well for SF. I think it’s good that he knows what he doesn’t know and has no political aspirations beyond being mayor of SF.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Here’s a brutal truth. Not only did Biden not end the Trump era, arguably his only job, but the DOJ did nothing to Trump while prosecuting his own son.

The DNC needs to quit putting their thumb on the goddamn scale. They did it in 2016. They did it in 2020. And they did it in 2024. But even beyond that, I have full faith they’ll continue with the losing strategy of being former Republican party light. The country doesn’t want a positive vibes corporate moderate. We need the anger that fits the moment and that anger needs to be pointed at those hoarding all the wealth. Period.

 

[rdrr]

Here’s a brutal truth. Not only did Biden not end the Trump era, arguably his only job, but the DOJ did nothing to Trump while prosecuting his own son.

The DNC needs to quit putting their thumb on the goddamn scale. They did it in 2016. They did it in 2020. And they did it in 2024. But even beyond that, I have full faith they’ll continue with the losing strategy of being former Republican party light. The country doesn’t want a positive vibes corporate moderate. We need the anger that fits the moment and that anger needs to be pointed at those hoarding all the wealth. Period.

Exactly! However, anger takes a lot of stamina and energy, I got to hand it to the MAGAts for keeping up the anger for so long.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Exactly! However, anger takes a lot of stamina and energy, I got to hand it to the MAGAts for keeping up the anger for so long.

It just got a lot easier for them to figure out who their anger should be aimed at. It’s the people who bought and will be running our government starting in 2025. Then just branch out to all their wealthy associates and enablers, and yes, most they probably thought were their friends. Too fucking bad.

And I need to repeat what Jared Yates Sexton said. For us it’s time to grow the fuck up and stop with the magical thinking. “Maybe Trump won’t….” “Maybe Democrats will…..”. Just stop. The government isn’t going to save us with our hope based slactivism.

 

[GermanSuplex]

The dems need a ground-up player with grassroots backing. Obama was relatively unknown, but hugely qualified. I found it laughable that they laughed at the fact he was a community organizer. In what world is that NOT an asset for a representative, who worked within the communities they now represent?

But anyways, he was a smart guy, well-spoken, a state senator, a US senator and he appealed to the middle who gave him a chance, and re-elected him. He was a bottom-up grassroots candidate who broke out on his own. We need the next one to happen organically. I thought the 2020 primaries would be good for that, but nerves over Trump caused dems to go with the safe pick of Biden. In a way, republicans have done the same, but it’s complicated by a large amount of republicans who are so deeply attached to this man his identity (they think, incorrectly) has become theirs.

Clinton and Biden were franchise players. As much as they had support, they had detractors. But Biden wasn’t Trump, and that helped him. And Trump isn’t Biden, that helped him.

Harris was the right person at the wrong time and under the wrong circumstances. She is incredibly strong to accept this defeat and move on. The misogyny and racism has stunned even me. I’m not even talking about Trump and Vance, I’m talking about social media and conservative talking heads.

Although it is kind of amazing, we imported all these “voters” during the Biden/Harris admin, but it was Trump’s admin that had all the immigrants and cheaters voting? So Trump I guess is the only individual to have presided over a rigged and stolen election.

Mike Lindell was on Bannon’s show and said he’s glad the machines worked this one time - but they didn’t work last time and will never work again. Everything is openly transparent and obvious.

 

[Huntn]

Here’s a brutal truth. Not only did Biden not end the Trump era, arguably his only job, but the DOJ did nothing to Trump while prosecuting his own son.

The DNC needs to quit putting their thumb on the goddamn scale. They did it in 2016. They did it in 2020. And they did it in 2024. But even beyond that, I have full faith they’ll continue with the losing strategy of being former Republican party light. The country doesn’t want a positive vibes corporate moderate. We need the anger that fits the moment and that anger needs to be pointed at those hoarding all the wealth. Period.

The reality is we are are hamstrung by our citizens. In the big picture, a strong argument that there are billions too many of us for a possibly happy ending. At this point we seem destined for a bad ending. We are fighting anger generated on behalf of STUPID. They voted based on fantasies, voting to burn it down. So be it, possibly this can only be fixed though a complete breakdown, including global/environmental calamity (thank you Capitalists) with no guarantee that the smart ones will survive. Gaia might just go through some cleansing and get rid of those self destructive asshole human beings. Get them back to numbers where they can’t be the threat they represent today.

Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does…

 

[GermanSuplex]

Of the three, which looks like the more emotional reaction to a loss?

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

The dems need a ground-up player with grassroots backing. Obama was relatively unknown, but hugely qualified. I found it laughable that they laughed at the fact he was a community organizer. In what world is that NOT an asset for a representative, who worked within the communities they now represent?

But anyways, he was a smart guy, well-spoken, a state senator, a US senator and he appealed to the middle who gave him a chance, and re-elected him. He was a bottom-up grassroots candidate who broke out on his own. We need the next one to happen organically. I thought the 2020 primaries would be good for that, but nerves over Trump caused dems to go with the safe pick of Biden. In a way, republicans have done the same, but it’s complicated by a large amount of republicans who are so deeply attached to this man his identity (they think, incorrectly) has become theirs.

Clinton and Biden were franchise players. As much as they had support, they had detractors. But Biden wasn’t Trump, and that helped him. And Trump isn’t Biden, that helped him.

Harris was the right person at the wrong time and under the wrong circumstances. She is incredibly strong to accept this defeat and move on. The misogyny and racism has stunned even me. I’m not even talking about Trump and Vance, I’m talking about social media and conservative talking heads.

Although it is kind of amazing, we imported all these “voters” during the Biden/Harris admin, but it was Trump’s admin that had all the immigrants and cheaters voting? So Trump I guess is the only individual to have presided over a rigged and stolen election.

Mike Lindell was on Bannon’s show and said he’s glad the machines worked this one time - but they didn’t work last time and will never work again. Everything is openly transparent and obvious.

I disagree we need another Obama. That time has passed. You could even argue he shares the blame of both Biden and Harris. He’s the ineffectual Trump of the Democrats. If nothing else people are tired of well spoken politicians with meritocracy credentials. We need somebody with the youth and adversarial fighting crave of Newsome with the rhetoric of Bernie and they need to embrace the shared and justified anger on the right.

 

[shadow puppet]

At least I managed to get an appointment for my Novavax vaccine on Monday. Will try to add pneumonia too. At least before JFK Jr decides if that’s a proven vaccine or not. Several people have expressed concerns over access to polio vaccines. With the projected Trump regime, who honestly knows.

 

[Renzatic]

We need somebody with the youth and adversarial fighting crave of Newsome with the rhetoric of Bernie and they need to embrace the shared and justified anger on the right.

So what you're saying is that we need to break Henry Rollins out of retirement?

 

[GermanSuplex]

I disagree we need another Obama. That time has passed. You could even argue he shares the blame of both Biden and Harris. He’s the ineffectual Trump of the Democrats. If nothing else people are tired of well spoken politicians with meritocracy credentials. We need somebody with the youth and adversarial fighting crave of Newsome with the rhetoric of Bernie and they need to embrace the shared and justified anger on the right.

I wasn’t suggesting we need another Obama. My point was, we need to stop picking who we think is a safe pick just because of their brand value and choose another grassroots candidate, someone people look at and go “that person is who we’re picking.”

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

The reality is we are are hamstrung by our citizens. In the big picture, a strong argument that there are billions too many of us for a possibly happy ending. At this point we seem destined for a bad ending. We are fighting anger generated on behalf of STUPID. They voted based on fantasies, voting to burn it down. So be it, possibly this can only be fixed though a complete breakdown, including global/environmental calamity (thank you Capitalists) with no guarantee that the smart ones will survive. Gaia might just go through some cleansing and get rid of those self destructive asshole human beings. Get them back to numbers where they can’t be the threat they represent today.

Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does…

I agree with an assessment that at least for the first year, short of a nuclear war possibility, they need to not line the white house with baby bumpers and pool noodles this time. Let him attempt his worst. The people need to see exactly what they voted for in all its harsh glory.

We also seriously miscalculated the youth vote. They voted on current economic reality vibes. They have no sense of the past or the future. There’s endless complaining about the work ethic, priorities and entitlement of young people in the workforce today. It shouldn’t be shocking that they voted based on their current dissatisfaction without a concern beyond that. If we're going to burn it all down they at least want it to be entertaining.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

So what you're saying is that we need to break Henry Rollins out of retirement?

Too old.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

At least I managed to get an appointment for my Novavax vaccine on Monday. Will try to add pneumonia too. At least before JFK Jr decides if that’s a proven vaccine or not. Several people have expressed concerns over access to polio vaccines. With the projected Trump regime, who honestly knows.

A friend of mine works for the health department in CA. Yesterday he told me last week some county board in a red state, possible Iowa, voted to not allow their health department to distribute Covid vaccines. Expect more of that.

Maybe expect government funded distribution of Musk’s neuralink. That couldn’t possibly be bad. That would be too blatant. As long as they didn’t put a micro dose of vaccine in it sign me up!

 

[Roller]

The election result is taking more of a mental and physical toll on me than I expected. It's not just Trump's manifest unfitness for office – even if I agreed with his policies, there is so much about him that in years past would have been disqualifying to people regardless of their political affiliation. But this time I'm worried for my and my family's well-being. It's not just the strident calls to execute prosecutors. I think the most extreme of Trump's supporters, especially the January 6 defendants who will be released from prison, will think they have carte blanche to attack anyone they view as the "enemy within." If I had a Harris-Walz sticker on my car, I'd remove it.

More than that, I worry about a nationwide abortion ban, which would presumably override state protections, replacement of experts in Federal departments with political lackeys, dismantling of the Department of Education and other departments, rolling back climate change mitigation, and especially seeing RFK, Jr. in charge of the FDA, CDC, and related agencies. If he's allowed to do what he wants on vaccination, expect a resurgence of measles, polio, and other preventable diseases, not to mention disappearance of Covid and other vaccine development in this country. I'm already looking into what it would take to get vaccinated elsewhere.

I stopped watching broadcast network news and CNN months ago. I have continued to watch MSNBC because I like some of their journalists. Although they and many of their guests have been sounding the alarm appropriately, it's felt like an echo chamber that led me to believe a Trump win wasn't possible, despite the polls. The same thing happened in 2016. So I'm giving up on them for at least a while. Same with social media. I've been using Substack often, but I'm exhausted by the blaming and craziness over the past few days, so I'm going to stay away. I will remain on Reddit and mute the communities that deal with politics.

I've contributed to this and related threads multiple times during this election cycle, but as much as I respect the opinions and discourse, reading them is contributing to my angst, and I don't think I have the willpower not to look. So, unless there's a way to mute threads, I'm not going to be around much for at least a few weeks. I will keep my promise to post about the Apple Vision Pro and maybe check in about movies, TV, cats, tech, and a few other topics.

Please take care of yourselves and your loved ones.

 

[shadow puppet]

A friend of mine works for the health department in CA. Yesterday he told me last week some county board in a red state, possible Iowa, voted to not allow their health department to distribute Covid vaccines. Expect more of that.

Maybe expect government funded distribution of Musk’s neuralink. That couldn’t possibly be bad. That would be too blatant. As long as they didn’t put a micro dose of vaccine in it sign me up!

Currently I’m in California so taking advantage of that. It’s been my home state since 1974. After I sell the house, who knows. Most likely Oregon as I’ve previously mentioned. I’d love to remain in CA but doubt I can afford it.

I also have several pre-existing health conditions so I’m basically screwed. Plan B, once I’m out of here, hire a death doula since I don’t have the nerve to end my life myself. But with zero quality of life and not even a Lab to love, I honestly don’t give a rat’s ass anymore.

As for anything Musk health related, count me out.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

The election result is taking more of a mental and physical toll on me than I expected. It's not just Trump's manifest unfitness for office – even if I agreed with his policies, there is so much about him that in years past would have been disqualifying to people regardless of their political affiliation. But this time I'm worried for my and my family's well-being. It's not just the strident calls to execute prosecutors. I think the most extreme of Trump's supporters, especially the January 6 defendants who will be released from prison, will think they have carte blanche to attack anyone they view as the "enemy within." If I had a Harris-Walz sticker on my car, I'd remove it.

More than that, I worry about a nationwide abortion ban, which would presumably override state protections, replacement of experts in Federal departments with political lackeys, dismantling of the Department of Education and other departments, rolling back climate change mitigation, and especially seeing RFK, Jr. in charge of the FDA, CDC, and related agencies. If he's allowed to do what he wants on vaccination, expect a resurgence of measles, polio, and other preventable diseases, not to mention disappearance of Covid and other vaccine development in this country. I'm already looking into what it would take to get vaccinated elsewhere.

I stopped watching broadcast network news and CNN months ago. I have continued to watch MSNBC because I like some of their journalists. Although they and many of their guests have been sounding the alarm appropriately, it's felt like an echo chamber that led me to believe a Trump win wasn't possible, despite the polls. The same thing happened in 2016. So I'm giving up on them for at least a while. Same with social media. I've been using Substack often, but I'm exhausted by the blaming and craziness over the past few days, so I'm going to stay away. I will remain on Reddit and mute the communities that deal with politics.

I've contributed to this and related threads multiple times during this election cycle, but as much as I respect the opinions and discourse, reading them is contributing to my angst, and I don't think I have the willpower not to look. So, unless there's a way to mute threads, I'm not going to be around much for at least a few weeks. I will keep my promise to post about the Apple Vision Pro and maybe check in about movies, TV, cats, tech, and a few other topics.

Please take care of yourselves and your loved ones.

I’ve determined talking about politics is both easy and hard. Easy in that you can just read something and then fire off an opinion and then be involved as little or as much as you want from there. Hard because of obvious reasons. All my other interests from gardening to woodworking to music I would need to physically be around those things to participate in a productive discussion and when I’m around those things I’d rather be doing those things than talking about them at great length.

I sometimes wonder why some retired people would put themselves through these discussions but then I realized it’s probably because they have the time. When I’m not at work this is pretty much the last thing I want to do. Work and commute alone limits my free time.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

And Biden should have packed the court. But hey, that could have cost Democrats the election. He can join Ruth Gater Ginsburg at her dinner table in heaven. Thank you for your service.