USA Election 2024

[cbum]

It will be illustrative to watch the reactions of those who voted for him for "economic" reasons.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Trump is naming Linda McMahon - who spent the bulk of her life running WWF/WWE with her husband Vince, for Education Secretary.

She previously served as head of SBA in Trump’s first term.

She’s currently facing a civil lawsuit stemming from a former employee who repeatedly abused young “ring boys”. Vince is also under a DoJ sex trafficking investigation stemming from a separate civil lawsuit against him, which forced him out of his own company shortly after selling it.

I don’t know about the civil suits, but I expect we won’t hear much about Vince McMahon and the DoJ after Trump is sworn in.

Perhaps she made sense for SBA, but education? Get real.

Trump picks Linda McMahon for education secretary

abcnews.go.com

Vince McMahon sex trafficking scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ring boy scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Alli]

Perhaps she made sense for SBA, but education? Get real.

Makes as much sense as Betsy DeVos.

 

[Eric]

This one is for every pro-Palestinian protester who sat out the election because they didn't like Biden's handling of the war.

Pam Bondi: Pick to replace Matt Gaetz wants to deport pro-Palestine protestors

Attorney general nominee has long history with president-elect and was once left in tight spot over legal case against Trump University

www.telegraph.co.uk

Pam Bondi: Pick to replace Matt Gaetz wants to deport pro-Palestine protestors​

 

[GermanSuplex]

She’d probably be willing to turn her head to Palestinian protestors if the money was right, seeing as she took a donation from Trump and dropped out of the lawsuit against Trump-U.

Bought and paid for. Unfortunately, while she is a sycophant of the highest order, she’s also more than qualified.

 

[rdrr]

This one is for every pro-Palestinian protester who sat out the election because they didn't like Biden's handling of the war.

Pam Bondi: Pick to replace Matt Gaetz wants to deport pro-Palestine protestors

Attorney general nominee has long history with president-elect and was once left in tight spot over legal case against Trump University

www.telegraph.co.uk

Pam Bondi: Pick to replace Matt Gaetz wants to deport pro-Palestine protestors​

To go along with https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4992787-trump-deportation-plan-immigration/

 

[Eric]

I'm on record here saying that people were not switching parties to vote Republican, I was clearly wrong and here's the data to show it.

With almost every vote counted, every state shifted toward the Republican Party

More (paywall)

 

[Yoused]

I was clearly wrong

Realistically, not really. The recent 7-month rolling averages for Party Affiliation, drawn from Gallup data, look like

	Repub	Indy	Dem
Oct 2023	28	43	28
Jan 2024	28	43	28
Apr 2024	28	44	27
Jul 2024	28	43	28
Oct 2024 (through Nov)	29	41	29

You can see that persons who literally declare affiliation to a major Party are a pretty small fraction of the electorate compared to those who do not (technically, both parties add up to a majority, but each is closer to a quarter than a third). It is highly unlikely that even one declared Democrat voted for a convicted felon. It is somewhat more likely that the RWers were very successful in their selective purging of voters.

 

[leman]

I'm on record here saying that people were not switching parties to vote Republican, I was clearly wrong and here's the data to show it.

With almost every vote counted, every state shifted toward the Republican Party

More (paywall)

Does this really show that people change their vote from democrat to republican? It could be that republican voters were more active this time or democratic voters less active. Or people who waited neither last time voting republican.

One thing is clear: a lot of people seem to be putting their trust into Trump while democratic voters did not feel motivated by Harris.

 

[Chew Toy McCoy]

Does this really show that people change their vote from democrat to republican? It could be that republican voters were more active this time or democratic voters less active. Or people who waited neither last time voting republican.

One thing is clear: a lot of people seem to be putting their trust into Trump while democratic voters did not feel motivated by Harris.

I think there's also a lot of young wallet voters who have no sense of history or consequences.

 

[Nycturne]

Does this really show that people change their vote from democrat to republican? It could be that republican voters were more active this time or democratic voters less active. Or people who waited neither last time voting republican.

One thing is clear: a lot of people seem to be putting their trust into Trump while democratic voters did not feel motivated by Harris.

This is one problem I have with how data on US elections is reported. We have turnouts in the 60-70% range. That means one in every 3 registered voters doesn't vote in a given election. Which voters stayed home? Which voters switched which party they voted for? We don't really know. Now, if we had 95+% turnouts like some countries, you would have fewer confounding variables to sort through.

So even things such as "making inroads in group X/Y" are somewhat hard to back up when you don't know if it's just "sub-group Z of group X stayed home" or if votes actually changed. Ultimately, we can say more about left/right shifts of officeholders more than we can say about voters themselves.

 

[GermanSuplex]

We have to face there’s a large chunk of people who - regardless of how they register - tune out the news and vote on feelings. If republicans gained voters, that doesn’t bode well that turnout this year was virtually the same for them as it was in 2020. An almost evenly split country along ideological lines, with republican voters generally being more reliable voters means that chunk of people who sway back and forth causes huge electoral shifts. A shit system and a divided country means every group is “the most important group”. Latinos. Blacks. Whites. Men. Women. Blue collar workers. Poor. Middle class.

I’ve said it before, but given the democrats success with the popular vote the last thirty years, and the fact both Trump and W. Bush got their first terms without winning the most votes - I wouldn’t lose any sleep over things.

All this before you even get to the fact Harris was a black woman. And she didn’t do bad. In fifty years, the narrative will shift to Hillary and Harris paving the way for a female leader, while we reflect on how we elected a reeree to the highest office in the land. I truly don’t like the “r” word, but it’s so fitting for Trump, so I’ll soften it a bit with reeree. But he truly is. If we were all in second grade - a few years beyond Trump’s intellectual level - that is undoubtedly how we’d refer to someone like him. He truly is a mental eunuch, and I’m done trying to figure out the psychology behind why people support him. Racism, sexism and stupidity are the clear and best answers, and you can see the proof everywhere.

 

[Herdfan]

I'm on record here saying that people were not switching parties to vote Republican, I was clearly wrong and here's the data to show it.

With almost every vote counted, every state shifted toward the Republican Party

More (paywall)

Not sure what this says to you, but it to me is says the economy was very important. I say this because that is the one issue that will affect people in every city and state.

 

[Hrafn]

Not sure what this says to you, but it to me is says the economy was very important. I say this because that is the one issue that will affect people in every city and state.

“Very Important” is a far cry from “I have a concept of a plan”, beyond burn it all down.

 

[leman]

Not sure what this says to you, but it to me is says the economy was very important. I say this because that is the one issue that will affect people in every city and state.

Economy is certainly an important priority. Even more puzzling that folks concerned about economy have voted for Trump.

 

[GermanSuplex]

P. Diddy should shift his focus from a criminal defense to running in the 2028 election. I think he has a strong chance of getting the GOP nomination. He’s a successful businessman, an abuser and he’s accused of sexual assault. He checks pretty much most of the boxes.

 

[leman]

. He’s a successful businessman

Shouldn’t this disqualify him?

 

[Yoused]

Economy is certainly an important priority. Even more puzzling that folks concerned about economy have voted for Trump.

It is a fundamental defect of popular Democracy in general, that the voters will express their dismay with the economic situation by rejecting the party in power, in the hope that someone else will fix it. The problem, of course, is that the vote becomes a broad refersndum on all the policies in question, but the voters are primaily interested in their bank accounts and may not be in favor of all the other crap that comes with changing the guard. It is also particularly troublesome in the American system inasmuch as a 4-year term is almost exactly long enough for one administration's policies to finally begin to overtake the previous administration, so the voters are often really voting in the context of the predecessor. This is not always the case, but often is.

 

[Eric]

Not sure what this says to you, but it to me is says the economy was very important. I say this because that is the one issue that will affect people in every city and state.

To me it says that if you can knock $0.50 off a dozen eggs or a quarter off the price of gas then maybe raping people and being a convicted felon isn't so bad after all.

 

[Yoused]

To me it says that if you can knock $0.50 off a dozen eggs or a quarter off the price of gas then maybe raping people and being a convicted felon isn't so bad after all.

Or, at least, promise to do that. Because, apparently, voters complain about polticians not keepig their word but never seem to remember about that.