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I'm just saying that both parties put what's best for the Party over what's best for the Country.
Will Kevin McCarthy become Speaker?
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I'm just saying that both parties put what's best for the Party over what's best for the Country.
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It isn't specifically supposed to.
Image a scenario where Congress is 45/45/10 where both parties need help from the 10. Compromise would have to happen and neither party would get all they want.
Yup, the Republicans are expected to act like brats and the Democrats are expected to clean up after them. There are a number of politicos asking “how could the Democrats not save McCarthy from himself and the Republicans? or expect something in return for doing so?” It’s nuts. It’s never happened on the federal level and the few times it’s happened on the state level it resulted in power sharing agreements which obviously McCarthy and the Republicans are never going to give.
You’d have to massively change the way we elect representatives, either proportional representation or other systems. Each has their pros and cons. I’m not saying that’s a bad idea in general mind you FPTP and the two party system is not great, but it would require massive reforms that I’m not sure anyone has the appetite for even if they might help. Agreed that forcing power sharing is a benefit of such systems though there are downsides as well and it isn’t a panacea for what’s happening.
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What have the Dems been putting out that's bad for the citizenry of the United States?
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I would say a lot, but that is not the point.
Our government is basically controlled by 5 people. The President and the two leaders of each chamber. That is not how it is supposed to work. Any D or R that gets elected is supposed to do what the leaders of their party say to do. Very rarely do they go against leadership and usually they have permission when they do. So when you elect your Rep or Senator, you are basically electing someone who is going to vote the way McConnel, Schumer, the Speaker and Jefferies tell them to.
They are putting Party over You.
Manchin gets a lot of flack here because he doesn't always do what Schumer tells him to do and instead does what his constituents want him to do. That is how it is supposed to work.
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So you're saying 98 Senators and 433 Reps could be let go and we'd have the same outcome?
And that the two leaders from each chamber work in a vacuum relying on their personal beliefs and wants, ignoring the opinions/views/needs/etc of the other 98 and 433 members who listen to their constituents?
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Yes. That pretty much sums it up.
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McCarthy didn’t even reach out to democrats for help, although I think I heard he reached out to Jeffries at the last minute.
He blamed the democrats for wanting to shut down the government, when more democrats voted for the extension than republicans. Make sense of that.
He’s upset that democrats didn’t bail him out for one of his own members utilizing a rule that McCarthy himself agreed to against the wishes of democrats and others in his caucus. Now they want to act surprised that a Trump muppet, who McCarthy had to walk up the aisle of the floor during a nationally televised vote and beg for help as a fight broke out - the same muppet who vociferously demanded this rule to help make McCarthy Speaker - ended up using said rule against him.
And where is the guy Kevin shit the bed for, PT Bar-dumb himself? Making a show at a trial in NYC and hinting he wouldn’t mind being Speaker, without a word about McCarthy. Real loyal guy.
All of that and more is why McCarthy’s legacy will be summed up in one photo…
He blamed the democrats for wanting to shut down the government, when more democrats voted for the extension than republicans. Make sense of that.
He’s upset that democrats didn’t bail him out for one of his own members utilizing a rule that McCarthy himself agreed to against the wishes of democrats and others in his caucus. Now they want to act surprised that a Trump muppet, who McCarthy had to walk up the aisle of the floor during a nationally televised vote and beg for help as a fight broke out - the same muppet who vociferously demanded this rule to help make McCarthy Speaker - ended up using said rule against him.
And where is the guy Kevin shit the bed for, PT Bar-dumb himself? Making a show at a trial in NYC and hinting he wouldn’t mind being Speaker, without a word about McCarthy. Real loyal guy.
All of that and more is why McCarthy’s legacy will be summed up in one photo…
Trump is heading to DC for a rally and is apparently going to try to throw his hat into the ring to become Speaker. The Republicans have a rule that anyone facing indictments can’t be Speaker, but we’ve seen how little such rules mean to Republicans. I still think Jeffries has a better shot at being Speaker - in fact if enough Republicans abstain he will be. But if somehow Trump actually becomes Speaker oh boy will the Republicans deserve everything that’s going to happen to them. Trump being out of power lessens the memory of how awful he was, anything that happens he’s going to own, and since he’d be Speaker the Democrats will nail Trump to all of them come election time in 2024.
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Trump has zero chance of being speaker. Won't happen. There aren't enough republican votes to make it happen. There's no way New York republicans who were blasting Gaetz will turn around and vote Trump.
This is Trump grandstanding and his cult dancing for him.
I'm more curious to see how the Jordan/Scalise factions will come to a consensus. Or if someone else throws their name in the hat.
Jordan is a MAGA favorite who has thus far managed to be respected by both caucuses. But he is a JOKE, and you can forget about any progress if he's speaker, he will dance for Trump more willingly than McCarthy - and McCarthy always danced when told.
I do not see Jordan as Speaker. The facts - no matter how detached from reality republicans may be - are that democrats control the senate and the presidency, and none of their crackhead ideas will pass the other chambers. So do they steer us to a shutdown or will there be some working together? Truth be told, I think whoever is speaker, they will be forced to work with the other side because they don't have enough votes within their own caucus unless they all act as extremists, and doing so will certainly cost them the house next year.
This is Trump grandstanding and his cult dancing for him.
I'm more curious to see how the Jordan/Scalise factions will come to a consensus. Or if someone else throws their name in the hat.
Jordan is a MAGA favorite who has thus far managed to be respected by both caucuses. But he is a JOKE, and you can forget about any progress if he's speaker, he will dance for Trump more willingly than McCarthy - and McCarthy always danced when told.
I do not see Jordan as Speaker. The facts - no matter how detached from reality republicans may be - are that democrats control the senate and the presidency, and none of their crackhead ideas will pass the other chambers. So do they steer us to a shutdown or will there be some working together? Truth be told, I think whoever is speaker, they will be forced to work with the other side because they don't have enough votes within their own caucus unless they all act as extremists, and doing so will certainly cost them the house next year.
I wouldn’t say 0, but it’s low. Even if they hate him, they’re terrified of him. So it could happen, just not very likely.
I can't imagine Trump putting up with rules of order in the House given his track record of not following any other rules or norms. He might think he could just sit in the Speaker's chair (a throne to him, no doubt) and conduct business according to whim, but it doesn't work that way. Even the extreme members mostly seem to follow procedures. It would make him look even less competent than he appeared as president, since his behavior will be there for the world to see whenever the House was in session.
The only thing that might motivate him to want to be Speaker is the notion that it would shield him from prosecution, which it wouldn't.
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He would be shouting down reps making their arguments and deciding who should or should not be allowed to talk.
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Trump will be too busy going insane to be Speaker. He may not make it to Christmas before needing to be committed to an institution of criminal or mental sorts, his NYC conman fraudster shyster ripoff trial is exposing him and driving him mad. It’s funny he quickly chimed in on “offering to help” by being Speaker, but couldn’t muster a single shit-post in defense of McCarthy. And still the ants all march along.
Oh I tried to make it clear in a previous post that it would be an epic shit show, but just that there’s a non zero chance that he’ll try and succeed in getting it. Not that he’d have any idea what he’s doing if he got it. He didn’t as president and he’d be much more exposed as Speaker, even if, as @GermanSuplex pointed out, he wasn’t too busy going to various trials for his corruption and venality. So this is a truly terrible idea both for him and the Republicans. But word on the street is that he really is going to make an effort, or rather have idiots make an effort on his behalf. Possibly all for show simply so he could make a public spectacle, but then again people thought that about his run for the presidency …
Edit: As for the appeal of doing this, he’d get to drive an impeachment campaign against Biden much much harder for one thing. Plus the asshole has an unhealthy addiction to power, amongst other things.
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Let’s see, Steve Scalise - who may as well be Kevin McCarthy with a different name (or David Duke without the baggage), Gym Jordache, who chairs the judiciary committee and has been the head guy spearheading all offense and defense for his client Trump and uncovering the “deep state” (but couldn’t uncover the sex scandal in his locker room).
Or the head cult leader himself, the guy who’s close to having 99 indictments and a snitch is way more than one, given that two of them are headed for trial in less than three weeks time and one has already plead.
The only upside for republicans is that I believe they can caucus before taking the vote to the floor, which is different than the vote taken in January. But can they come to consensus behind closed doors and then vote? I’m not holding my breath.
Or the head cult leader himself, the guy who’s close to having 99 indictments and a snitch is way more than one, given that two of them are headed for trial in less than three weeks time and one has already plead.
The only upside for republicans is that I believe they can caucus before taking the vote to the floor, which is different than the vote taken in January. But can they come to consensus behind closed doors and then vote? I’m not holding my breath.
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Then if they end up with Jefferies as Speaker, then they get what they deserve.
I believe Scalise would be much better than McCarthy. I mean he does have a bullet in his ass.
But Jordan will definitely shake things up.
You mean as effectively as Trump did?
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This, very much.
The Rs might actually be able to unite behind that. Of course, it would not give him a vote in the House, but he could theoretically bring up votes to expel various Democrats, and might succeed at that. The House would become a mess.
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Trump will never be Speaker because McCarthy was their best fundraiser, he’s done, Trump candidates tanked in the statewide races, and independents hate Trump.
This is for show, and if these bozos are talking about Trump, they’re not serious. I’m also getting tired of them taking a week off every time they have to stay a day or two over, but that’s a whole different issue.
Even if Trump doesn’t end up Speaker - and he absolutely will not - it just shows how unserious republicans are. 90% of the entire caucus should be on the record adamantly refuting any such possibility of Trump becoming Speaker, but the usual suspects are treating it as a serious proposition
There’s no way the house republicans unite behind Trump. He doesn’t have the votes.
This is for show, and if these bozos are talking about Trump, they’re not serious. I’m also getting tired of them taking a week off every time they have to stay a day or two over, but that’s a whole different issue.
Even if Trump doesn’t end up Speaker - and he absolutely will not - it just shows how unserious republicans are. 90% of the entire caucus should be on the record adamantly refuting any such possibility of Trump becoming Speaker, but the usual suspects are treating it as a serious proposition
There’s no way the house republicans unite behind Trump. He doesn’t have the votes.
